[CPT-FGC] Re: [CPT-RPG] Re: Stuff off

  • From: Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:25:50 +0200

Get these first:
Careful Synth - WVR 15
Hasty Touch - CUL 15
Rumination - CRP 15
Manipulation - You have this already
Tricks of the Trade - LTW 15

Then these:
Steady Hand II - CUL 37
Byregot's Blessing - CRP 50


For Ken, a really cheap technique is to make your opponent guess between
j.hp and x-up EX Tatsu.  The spacing is a bit tricky but once you figure it
out it's OP because the EX Tatsu is hit-confirmable into Ultra, or a ground
EX Tatsu combo.  His zoning game with fireballs is not that great, but you
wanna stick with the LP fireball cos it travels the slowest.  If you do it
from the edge of the screen the opponent cannot jump forward because you
can air-to-air them or DP.  His main footsie tool is f.mk.  When you start
with Ken, you basically just wanna learn f.mk, cr.mk xx fireball.  It's a
frame trap from the right distance.  When you have two bars, you mix it up
with f.mk, DP (FADC) or f.mk, throw (this is what you need the kara throw
for but you can ignore it for now) or f.mk, f.hk (taping gives and
overhead, holding gives a feint).  His basic hit-confirm is cr.lk, cr.lp,
HP DP (jumping forward immediately is safe if they quick rise, if they
don't you get time for another setup).  A damaging easy-to-learn combo is
cr.lk, cr.lp, (you can use two jabs) st.lp , cr.mk xx EX Tatsu.  It's an
easy link - st.lp is +7f and cr.mk is 4f.  After the EX Tatsu you are at
+1f, so the opponent has to guess between throw, DP (FADC), or cr.lk into
the same combo.



On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Manase Zote <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Gouki needs to do close fierce punch twice in that combo therefore
> distance was not the problem, at first I thought the ultra whiffed Gen
> based sorely on his hurt box.
> The combo is suppose to hit every character in the game whether they are
> standing or crouching and I did the test against Gen last night and it
> worked.
> On 23 Oct 2013 12:36, "sameegh jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Where did you start the combo from? Mid-screen or in the corner?
>>
>> Also which direction were you facing? Perhaps try replicating the
>> scenario exactly and see whether it works or fails, i.e. same characters,
>> same starting and ending position, same direction.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Manase Zote <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> It was not a matter of me dropping the combo bro, the ultra whiffed
>>> that's the interesting part.
>>> It's a pity there is no footage of the incident. Sf4 needs to have the
>>> ability to save offline matches like tekken and vf.  Again guys it was not
>>> a missed link/cancel it was a move (ultra) that whiffed and failed.
>>>  On 23 Oct 2013 12:01, "euraima tobias" <euraima@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You missed it. Never overlook human error.
>>>> On 23 Oct 2013 11:52, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm game dood, I had a few games against Chojin yesterday.
>>>>> By the way I tested my gouki ultra combo against gen and other small
>>>>> characters and it worked.  Now I want to know how did it fail Saturday?
>>>>> On 23 Oct 2013 11:33, "Ryan Williams" <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hehe, we need to do some online sparring :) Might as well start
>>>>>> leveling him up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Manase Zote <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gouki approves :)
>>>>>>> On 23 Oct 2013 11:16, "Ryan Williams" <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can't remember the last time I read frame data for this game. That
>>>>>>>> was ages ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These days, I just try to feel things out. Learning the range of
>>>>>>>> normals and what beats what in different situations is more important 
>>>>>>>> to me
>>>>>>>> at the mo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll be using Gouken more frequently at the sessions from now on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Wynand-Ben Viljoen <
>>>>>>>> paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Need to check out Makoto's frames and shit again...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cant remember them now :(
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: [CPT-RPG] Re: Stuff off
>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 08:39:10 +0000
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  @Paas – somethings to remember:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> B+MK – the quick overhead kick that I was using – it’s negative on
>>>>>>>>> hit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With the d+mk, hado thing – the d+mk is safe. The hado is not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tatsu – on hit: light version I recover fast. Medium version we’re
>>>>>>>>> both equal. Hard version you recover faster.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 EX – plus on hit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Probably other stuff to know, but I don’t know it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben Viljoen
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 23 October 2013 10:36 AM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [CPT-FGC] Re: [CPT-RPG] Re: Stuff off
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ken must DIE!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:33:05 +0200
>>>>>>>>> > Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: [CPT-RPG] Re: Stuff off
>>>>>>>>> > From: ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Ken is pretty cool. Just remember that fadc into ultra 1 doesn't
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> > that much damage becuase you don't get the animation.
>>>>>>>>> > doing jump in, target combo, fireball , fadc ultra 1 should do
>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> > damage, but it's a bit harder.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > You should check out youtube for these players: Michael tan
>>>>>>>>> (sometimes
>>>>>>>>> > spelt maikeru tan), Momochi, PlayerJun52.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > I also like to check out some highlight vids just to see how
>>>>>>>>> much a
>>>>>>>>> > character can kick ass.
>>>>>>>>> > Here's a "best of" vid for Playerjun52 (ken)
>>>>>>>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTzk-N3aB1U
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > and here's one for Ace Eirin (guile)
>>>>>>>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBjQ8Mnh_Qc
>>>>>>>>> >
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