[CIAM-F6-Working_Group] Re: Artistic Aerobatics model weight
- From: "Mike O'Reilly" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ciam-f6-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:33:54 +0930
Dear Guy
I think the Biplanes add interest to the competition, and if I remember
correctly AA is designed to take precision flying to a wider audience, so to
exclude something that the public can easily identify with as different
seems at odds with the AA concept.
Biplanes have made a big resurgence over the last 3 years in F3A including
winning the last worlds, People who know nothing about pattern or RC are
always drawn to these aircraft. Good for the spectators.
8 kg limit sounds good also. Nice balance of size, cost, ease of transport.
Mike O'Reilly
Australia
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[mailto:ciam-f6-wg-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Benoit DIERICKX
Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2009 5:42 AM
To: ciam-f6-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [CIAM-F6-Working_Group] Re: Artistic Aerobatics model weight
Dear Guy,
Personally, I don't understand the spirit of the AA rules if we accept
expensive powerfull heavy jet on one side and light propeller plane on the
other?! (like Robert Herzog told you as well)
I don't understand either why biplane, triplane, etc. shoud be keept away
from a competition which mix prop plane, helicopter and jet...
Keep it affordable:
A 3m plane is expensive! But to travel with is even more expensive and
difficult. (some wellknown and sponsorized pilots keep their plane on the
other side of the Atlantique for the next event due to that reason!)
That's why we need limits.
Keep it natural:
The 8kg limit from Donatas is a very good start.
A usual 8kg biplane is around 1.8m and a 8kg monoplane around 2.2m
(fuel, smoke, battery, etc included?...)
As told before, this allows cheaper gas engines.
If somebody can build a 2.5m biplane at that weight: congratulations, that's
just well done! The spectators will see a different kind of flight: "Great
isn't it!"
Keep it free:
About the noise: throttle is a proportional control. You can really enhance
a flight on music with the noise of your plane (engine, but prop or even the
whistling of the plane :-)
If nobody can hear the music, I don't think the points will be good.
Why a pilot could not make the engine/prop screaming during some hard rock
or classical fortissimo!?
Just my 2cents
Best regards,
Benoit
----- Original Message -----
From: Guy Revel <mailto:guyrevel@xxxxxxxx>
To: ciam-f6-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 2:52 PM
Subject: [CIAM-F6-Working_Group] Artistic Aerobatics model weight
Dear all,
As most of you know, the amendment proposals that were not discussed during
the last CIAM Plenary will be presented again at the next meeting.
One of these proposals may need further discussion. It concerns the deletion
of the weight limit for F6A airplanes. It has been pointed to me that the
amended rule (2 m maximum wingspan, no weight limit) woudl open the way to
multiplane monsters (think about a 2-metres, 15 kg, DA-150-powered Ultimate.
This would obvioulsy negate the spirit of the present AA rules.
One of the options I was offered was to further limit the wingspan for
biplanes, as it is done with some freestyle classes. However, thinking about
it and noting the fact that biplaned have completely disappeared from the
competition circuit for years., I tend to think that the most adequate
solution would be to limit AA competitions to monoplanes.
Your input, please.
Guy R.
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