[bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:28:54 -0600
I love the phrase "careless slob". Why don't we start a careless slob club,
but make it consist of great proofreaders and submitters? Just kidding,
sort of, but the phrase tickles my warped sense of humor. The Careless
Slobs just has a good ring to it.
Sue S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:21 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
Even if I do read through it, I've been known to miss things, which is why
it is important that the word "proofreader" actually mean what it says on
the site. If books weren't intended to be read through by those who take
them off of the Check In page, then presumably another word would have been
used.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: <talmage@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:17 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
> Then maybe you should read through it.
>
> Dave, a careless slob.
>
> At 08:53 AM 3/4/2009, you wrote:
>>If I scan a book without reading through it, for whatever reason, and I
>>put it up there without a hold for, then how do I ensure that it goes to
>>someone such as yourself rather than someone who is, in fact, a careless
>>slob. Please answer that question for me if you can.
>>
>>Others have seen it happen, which is one reason I now get books held for
>>me by those people instead of them being just sent up and passed on,
>>apparently, without a glance at the text.
>>
>>Evan
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:40 AM
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
>>
>>
>>>Gee, thanks a lot. I guess those of us who don't ask for and get hold
>>>fors are just a bunch of careless slobs? NOT!!!
>>>It's annoying to hunt through the list, and find hold for after hold for,
>>>and on books I would really be interested in working on, too. But it
>>>appears some people have their own pet proofreaders, and the rest of us
>>>are just not worthy.
>>>
>>>I agree with the suggestion that the "hold for" should go away for a
>>>while. If not 4 weeks, then how about 8? I'm sure it would be too
>>>difficult for engineering to manage, but after a while, I'm highly
>>>tempted
>>>to just take the darned thing. I've seen books sitting on the queue for
>>>quite a while with a hold for, when all along I would be happy to proof
>>>them. But I forgot; I'm not worthy of such special books.
>>>Tracy
>>>
>>>>The point about contacting the person for whom the book is being held is
>>>>a
>>>>good one. Last year, I had a Hold for up there for three weeks before I
>>>>found out about it because I don't check that list very often unless I'm
>>>>expecting something. I did know the book was coming, and had asked for
>>>>it
>>>>to be held for me, but I didn't know exactly when it would be submitted.
>>>>I
>>>>only learned of it because someone else, not the submitter, told me I
>>>>had
>>>>a Hold for up there.
>>>>
>>>>In general, I use Hold fors quite a lot because its the only way of
>>>>ensuring that a book will actually be proofread, not just passed through
>>>>to the admin queue with the bear minimum. Even if I read through
>>>>something
>>>>I submit, someone else will always find something I missed in their read
>>>>through of the book. Then there are books that I scan that I do not
>>>>choose
>>>>to read through. I absolutely want to ensure that those get at least one
>>>>read through before getting into the collection. Those are scanned to
>>>>order though, so that isn't a problem, and I always contact the
>>>>proofreader so the books get picked up, often within minutes.
>>>>
>>>>I also get hold fors from others for the same reason. They trust me to
>>>>actually read through the book and make corrections. I still put books
>>>>up
>>>>there without hold fors, but I often feel uncomfortable just submitting
>>>>a
>>>>book and hoping for the best.
>>>>
>>>>So for me and others that I know, the hold for has become the best kind
>>>>of
>>>>quality assurance.
>>>>
>>>>But there definitely needs to be good communication between the
>>>>submitter
>>>>and the proofreader to make things work efficiently.
>>>>
>>>>Evan
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Monica Willyard
>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:45 PM
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mickey. Over time, I am slowly shifting my point of view on the
>>>> hold
>>>>for issue. It used to be that less than ten percent of books were hold
>>>>fors, and I was content with that level. I still think it has value and
>>>>is needed in instances like Marilyn's or when someone needs help with
>>>>fixing up recipes, charts, and such. I have seen it abused though, and
>>>>I'm beginning to think we're going overboard as a group. I don't mean
>>>>that any specific person is doing this. I think it's more of a group
>>>>drift. I was startled Sunday night when I discovered that the entire
>>>>first page of books were hold fors when I went to look at books. I have
>>>>mine set to 50, and I didn't find one single book on that page that
>>>>wasn't being held for someone. In fact, only 16 books from page 2 didn't
>>>>have holds. I don't mind it if a person is actively working on a project
>>>>or is taking the books to proofread on a consistent basis. I recognized
>>>>some of the names like Marilyn's and understand what's going on with her
>>>>holds. After some thought, I wrote to a few of the people with books
>>>>being held for them, and three of them didn't even know someone had
>>>>posted books for them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a great solution here. I'll bet we can come up with one
>>>>that works well, if not perfectly. I guess I would just ask people to
>>>>take a couple of very quick precautions. If a book is being held for you
>>>>and you find that you can't handle it, just post to the list. We
>>>>understand that life happens and would rather get the book proofread
>>>>than have you tied up in knots because you can't do it. If you are
>>>>someone who submits books with holds on them, I ask you to consider
>>>>doing two things. First, if your book is going to be held for someone,
>>>>please make a point of writing or calling them to let them know the book
>>>>is available once you submit it. Second, if your book has special needs
>>>>like recipes that need to be fixed, please note that in the comments.
>>>>That way, if your proofreader can't take on the book after some time,
>>>>Carrie could remove the hold with your permission and let another
>>>>qualified volunteer work on it. These things would keep communication
>>>>flowing for all of us. Maybe that would be enough to help us get back on
>>>>track with each other. What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Monica Willyard
>>>>
>>>> "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter
>>>> Drucker
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mickey
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:48 PM
>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Hold fors
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi. I just went to get a book to validate, but I'm truly discouraged.
>>>>There are so many hold for books that I have the definite feeling that
>>>>only the ones nobody else wants are available. There are some people who
>>>>have 10 and 12 books waiting for them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, I'm just discouraged. Some of those books have been there
>>>> for
>>>>a long time. Maybe if a book has been in the queue for two weeks, the
>>>>hold should be removed? Just a thought, and probably a very unpopular
>>>>one. <smile>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not trying to be destructive, only trying to get books out there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mickey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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