[bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:54:22 -0600
<lol> Well, Evan, since I know you have a sense of humor, if you put it up
there without reading through it, then YOU are a careless slob. <just
joking>
Sue S.
----- Original Message -----
From: <talmage@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:17 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
Then maybe you should read through it.
Dave, a careless slob.
At 08:53 AM 3/4/2009, you wrote:
>If I scan a book without reading through it, for whatever reason,
>and I put it up there without a hold for, then how do I ensure that
>it goes to someone such as yourself rather than someone who is, in
>fact, a careless slob. Please answer that question for me if you can.
>
>Others have seen it happen, which is one reason I now get books held
>for me by those people instead of them being just sent up and passed
>on, apparently, without a glance at the text.
>
>Evan
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:40 AM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
>
>
>>Gee, thanks a lot. I guess those of us who don't ask for and get hold
>>fors are just a bunch of careless slobs? NOT!!!
>>It's annoying to hunt through the list, and find hold for after hold for,
>>and on books I would really be interested in working on, too. But it
>>appears some people have their own pet proofreaders, and the rest of us
>>are just not worthy.
>>
>>I agree with the suggestion that the "hold for" should go away for a
>>while. If not 4 weeks, then how about 8? I'm sure it would be too
>>difficult for engineering to manage, but after a while, I'm highly tempted
>>to just take the darned thing. I've seen books sitting on the queue for
>>quite a while with a hold for, when all along I would be happy to proof
>>them. But I forgot; I'm not worthy of such special books.
>>Tracy
>>
>>>The point about contacting the person for whom the book is being held is
>>>a
>>>good one. Last year, I had a Hold for up there for three weeks before I
>>>found out about it because I don't check that list very often unless I'm
>>>expecting something. I did know the book was coming, and had asked for it
>>>to be held for me, but I didn't know exactly when it would be submitted.
>>>I
>>>only learned of it because someone else, not the submitter, told me I had
>>>a Hold for up there.
>>>
>>>In general, I use Hold fors quite a lot because its the only way of
>>>ensuring that a book will actually be proofread, not just passed through
>>>to the admin queue with the bear minimum. Even if I read through
>>>something
>>>I submit, someone else will always find something I missed in their read
>>>through of the book. Then there are books that I scan that I do not
>>>choose
>>>to read through. I absolutely want to ensure that those get at least one
>>>read through before getting into the collection. Those are scanned to
>>>order though, so that isn't a problem, and I always contact the
>>>proofreader so the books get picked up, often within minutes.
>>>
>>>I also get hold fors from others for the same reason. They trust me to
>>>actually read through the book and make corrections. I still put books up
>>>there without hold fors, but I often feel uncomfortable just submitting a
>>>book and hoping for the best.
>>>
>>>So for me and others that I know, the hold for has become the best kind
>>>of
>>>quality assurance.
>>>
>>>But there definitely needs to be good communication between the submitter
>>>and the proofreader to make things work efficiently.
>>>
>>>Evan
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Monica Willyard
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:45 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mickey. Over time, I am slowly shifting my point of view on the
>>> hold
>>>for issue. It used to be that less than ten percent of books were hold
>>>fors, and I was content with that level. I still think it has value and
>>>is needed in instances like Marilyn's or when someone needs help with
>>>fixing up recipes, charts, and such. I have seen it abused though, and
>>>I'm beginning to think we're going overboard as a group. I don't mean
>>>that any specific person is doing this. I think it's more of a group
>>>drift. I was startled Sunday night when I discovered that the entire
>>>first page of books were hold fors when I went to look at books. I have
>>>mine set to 50, and I didn't find one single book on that page that
>>>wasn't being held for someone. In fact, only 16 books from page 2 didn't
>>>have holds. I don't mind it if a person is actively working on a project
>>>or is taking the books to proofread on a consistent basis. I recognized
>>>some of the names like Marilyn's and understand what's going on with her
>>>holds. After some thought, I wrote to a few of the people with books
>>>being held for them, and three of them didn't even know someone had
>>>posted books for them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't have a great solution here. I'll bet we can come up with one
>>>that works well, if not perfectly. I guess I would just ask people to
>>>take a couple of very quick precautions. If a book is being held for you
>>>and you find that you can't handle it, just post to the list. We
>>>understand that life happens and would rather get the book proofread
>>>than have you tied up in knots because you can't do it. If you are
>>>someone who submits books with holds on them, I ask you to consider
>>>doing two things. First, if your book is going to be held for someone,
>>>please make a point of writing or calling them to let them know the book
>>>is available once you submit it. Second, if your book has special needs
>>>like recipes that need to be fixed, please note that in the comments.
>>>That way, if your proofreader can't take on the book after some time,
>>>Carrie could remove the hold with your permission and let another
>>>qualified volunteer work on it. These things would keep communication
>>>flowing for all of us. Maybe that would be enough to help us get back on
>>>track with each other. What do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Monica Willyard
>>>
>>> "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mickey
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:48 PM
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Hold fors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi. I just went to get a book to validate, but I'm truly discouraged.
>>>There are so many hold for books that I have the definite feeling that
>>>only the ones nobody else wants are available. There are some people who
>>>have 10 and 12 books waiting for them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, I'm just discouraged. Some of those books have been there
>>> for
>>>a long time. Maybe if a book has been in the queue for two weeks, the
>>>hold should be removed? Just a thought, and probably a very unpopular
>>>one. <smile>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not trying to be destructive, only trying to get books out there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mickey
>>>
>>>
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