[bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
- From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:35:46 -0500
I didn't say that either, and I didn't even imply it.
However, I know others who have had a similar experience to yours. To prevent
that, I do read through those submissions that I do not know who will take from
the Check Out page. But there are books that I scan than I am not really
interested in reading. Those books I know in advance are for someone who wants
to read them, so I do put a hold for, to make sure they get read through by
someone.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: solsticesinger
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:24 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
Evan,
I agree with you about the hold for's being a good way of ensuring quality.
There are a few people I consistently hold some of my books for, and I know
they'll be proofread well.
I'm not saying that all other proofreaders are lazy, or wouldn't do a good
job, but I've had some bad luck with books of mine being sent up to admin queue
with nothing of note being done to them.
Shannon
"The different among us tell our stories because we are all only human and so
much need a witness to the truth,"
Claudia Bepko
----- Original Message -----
From: EVAN REESE
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:52 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
The point about contacting the person for whom the book is being held is a
good one. Last year, I had a Hold for up there for three weeks before I found
out about it because I don't check that list very often unless I'm expecting
something. I did know the book was coming, and had asked for it to be held for
me, but I didn't know exactly when it would be submitted. I only learned of it
because someone else, not the submitter, told me I had a Hold for up there.
In general, I use Hold fors quite a lot because its the only way of
ensuring that a book will actually be proofread, not just passed through to the
admin queue with the bear minimum. Even if I read through something I submit,
someone else will always find something I missed in their read through of the
book. Then there are books that I scan that I do not choose to read through. I
absolutely want to ensure that those get at least one read through before
getting into the collection. Those are scanned to order though, so that isn't a
problem, and I always contact the proofreader so the books get picked up, often
within minutes.
I also get hold fors from others for the same reason. They trust me to
actually read through the book and make corrections. I still put books up there
without hold fors, but I often feel uncomfortable just submitting a book and
hoping for the best.
So for me and others that I know, the hold for has become the best kind of
quality assurance.
But there definitely needs to be good communication between the submitter
and the proofreader to make things work efficiently.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: Monica Willyard
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:45 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
Hi Mickey. Over time, I am slowly shifting my point of view on the hold
for issue. It used to be that less than ten percent of books were hold fors,
and I was content with that level. I still think it has value and is needed in
instances like Marilyn's or when someone needs help with fixing up recipes,
charts, and such. I have seen it abused though, and I'm beginning to think
we're going overboard as a group. I don't mean that any specific person is
doing this. I think it's more of a group drift. I was startled Sunday night
when I discovered that the entire first page of books were hold fors when I
went to look at books. I have mine set to 50, and I didn't find one single book
on that page that wasn't being held for someone. In fact, only 16 books from
page 2 didn't have holds. I don't mind it if a person is actively working on a
project or is taking the books to proofread on a consistent basis. I recognized
some of the names like Marilyn's and understand what's going on with her holds.
After some thought, I wrote to a few of the people with books being held for
them, and three of them didn't even know someone had posted books for them.
I don't have a great solution here. I'll bet we can come up with one that
works well, if not perfectly. I guess I would just ask people to take a couple
of very quick precautions. If a book is being held for you and you find that
you can't handle it, just post to the list. We understand that life happens and
would rather get the book proofread than have you tied up in knots because you
can't do it. If you are someone who submits books with holds on them, I ask you
to consider doing two things. First, if your book is going to be held for
someone, please make a point of writing or calling them to let them know the
book is available once you submit it. Second, if your book has special needs
like recipes that need to be fixed, please note that in the comments. That way,
if your proofreader can't take on the book after some time, Carrie could remove
the hold with your permission and let another qualified volunteer work on it.
These things would keep communication flowing for all of us. Maybe that would
be enough to help us get back on track with each other. What do you think?
Monica Willyard
"The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mickey
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:48 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Hold fors
Hi. I just went to get a book to validate, but I'm truly discouraged.
There are so many hold for books that I have the definite feeling that only the
ones nobody else wants are available. There are some people who have 10 and 12
books waiting for them.
I'm sorry, I'm just discouraged. Some of those books have been there for
a long time. Maybe if a book has been in the queue for two weeks, the hold
should be removed? Just a thought, and probably a very unpopular one. <smile>
Not trying to be destructive, only trying to get books out there.
Mickey
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