[bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:56:51 -0700
Hi Evan,
What I suggested is what is in the manual and is what has been agreed was
preferred.
That said, I agree with you about the "end footnote" bit. But I was in the
minority when folks said how they most felt their books would be best
understood.
That's all I know.
Mayrie
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
References
Is it really expected that we should write "footnote" and "end footnote" at
the beginning and end of every one? I don't understand the reasoning behind
that. Is it really that hard for people to tell when one of those begins and
ends? They are usually preceded by an asterisk, or two asterisks if it is
the second of two, or a number, as in the book I'm just finishing scanning,
which has a lot of them. More often than not, they interrupt a sentence,
which should also be a clue. Also, since they are usually at the bottom of
the page, it shouldn't be very difficult to tell when a footnote is over,
since there is nothing after it on the page.
Evan
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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 3:38 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
References
> Hi Rik,
>
> Please, please don't move text from one page to another unless it is
> to join a broken word between two pages to the page on which it
> begins. And please don't move footnote citations from one page to
> another when preparing books for Bookshare. This is an altering of
> the text that we don't permit.
>
> Also, your handling of footnotes by labeling them is absolutely fine
> and preferred. You should, however, please, include that text in
> brackets like
> this:
>
> [Footnote: Hop On Pop by Dr. Seuss
> End footnote]
>
> And finally, to give the best results for all readers please handle
> inserting footnote numbers by placing them in brackets [] and
> surrounding those by spaces. Though this is not traditional, it has
> been stated as the way that works best for braille readers of
> Bookshare books who don't have access to superscripted numbers, and
> sighted readers using the same books.
>
> Thanks for all of your intense attention to detail! You folks with
> the patience to tackle this kind of stuff are marvelous! I have to
> want to read a book so badly that I can taste it before I'll willingly
> attempt processing this stuff.
>
> Rock on everyone! We truly do have a devoted, conscientious, and just
> plain wonderful group of volunteers! We really value all of you!
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
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> [mailto:k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> ohio1803@xxxxx
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM
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> Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
>
> Hello Kane,
>
> Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is pretty dense,
> isn't it.
>
> I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff automatically.
> Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the likelihood
> it might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing something
> that might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen to be
> a Bookshare member who is reading this type of content and want the
> citation, then that is not good. Not to mention the publisher
> agreements.
>
> My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what they think.
> I'm not exactly sure, officially.
>
> I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with footnotes
> and citations on the same page.
> Two ways.
>
> In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the chapter
> or section in which they are.
> But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation number
> with the text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct.
> Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move through the
> content and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is
> also something you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime
> we do this type of thing, however, great care to make sure you do it
> without omission or errors.
>
> In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page, and just
> make sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual. If
> you have a number right up beside the period, it is clear that there
> is a citation for it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket.
> But maybe I should. So I did not know about that.
>
> But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not think is
> in the manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For
> example, [footnote #
> 1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1]. Maybe this
> is wrong, and I should never do it again.
>
> But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I am reading
> that this is the citation to the above content.
> (The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is probably not
> altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for another
> reader .
>
> Also...
>
> In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that the page ends
> in a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end of a
> sentence
> from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of the page,
> or vice versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest
> on the next page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in
> Bookshare books I download and read. That I don't have to lose my
> train of thought on a broken up sentence. But of course a lot of
> times you just have to be paying enough attention as you read, and
> notice you had a broken sentence and go find the rest of it.
>
> Sorry I got sort of long.
> But I hope that helps and makes some sense.
>
> Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind of need
> to know they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not
> want to fool with all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned
> much citations is a better fit. Especially when we are putting them in
> this permanent collection for the members. If I do it for my own
> personal reading I often skip all that stuff, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Rik James
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> ohio1803@xxxxx
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM
> To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
>
> Hello Kane,
>
> Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is pretty dense,
> isn't it.
>
> I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff automatically.
> Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the likelihood
> it might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing something
> that might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen to be
> a Bookshare member who is reading this type of content and want the
> citation, then that is not good. Not to mention the publisher
> agreements.
>
> My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what they think.
> I'm not exactly sure, officially.
>
> I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with footnotes
> and citations on the same page.
> Two ways.
>
> In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the chapter
> or section in which they are.
> But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation number
> with the text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct.
> Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move through the
> content and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is
> also something you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime
> we do this type of thing, however, great care to make sure you do it
> without omission or errors.
>
> In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page, and just
> make sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual. If
> you have a number right up beside the period, it is clear that there
> is a citation for it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket.
> But maybe I should. So I did not know about that.
>
> But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not think is
> in the manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For
> example, [footnote #
> 1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1]. Maybe this
> is wrong, and I should never do it again.
>
> But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I am reading
> that this is the citation to the above content.
> (The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is probably not
> altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for another
> reader .
>
> Also...
>
> In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that the page ends
> in a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end of a
> sentence
> from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of the page,
> or vice versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest
> on the next page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in
> Bookshare books I download and read. That I don't have to lose my
> train of thought on a broken up sentence. But of course a lot of
> times you just have to be paying enough attention as you read, and
> notice you had a broken sentence and go find the rest of it.
>
> Sorry I got sort of long.
> But I hope that helps and makes some sense.
>
> Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind of need
> to know they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not
> want to fool with all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned
> much citations is a better fit. Especially when we are putting them in
> this permanent collection for the members. If I do it for my own
> personal reading I often skip all that stuff, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Rik James
>
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