[bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 13:11:24 -0700 (PDT)
so would space bracket footnote number bracket space be preferable to Sandi's
space asterisk number space? what would be least intrusive to a listener, but
at the same time best for Braille readers?
Cindy ( who's reluctantly giving up superscript footnote numbers that look so
pretty (smile)
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> From: Ann Parsons <akp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:08 AM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
>References
>
>Hi Evan et al,
>
>
>Original message:
>> Is it really expected that we should write "footnote" and "end footnote" at
>> the beginning and end of every one? I don't understand the reasoning behind
>> that. Is it really that hard for people to tell when one of those begins and
>> ends? They are usually preceded by an asterisk, or two asterisks if it is
>> the second of two, or a number, as in the book I'm just finishing scanning,
>> which has a lot of them. More often than not, they interrupt a sentence,
>> which should also be a clue. Also, since they are usually at the bottom of
>> the page, it shouldn't be very difficult to tell when a footnote is over,
>> since there is nothing after it on the page.
>
>
><smiling> This reasoning only works if you are dealing with hard copy pages.
>In an electronic file, viewed, for example on a BrailleNote, the physical end
>of a page may be indicated by a symbol in the text, but is not as obvious as
>it is on a hard copy page. I remember that in hard copy Braille, there is
>usually a line of dashes across the page to indicate that a footnote is
>present. Having a [begin footnote] and [end footnote] makes sense in the
>context of electronic files, IMO.
>
>Ann P.
>
>> Evan
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 3:38 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
>> References
>
>
>>> Hi Rik,
>
>>> Please, please don't move text from one page to another unless it is to
>>> join
>>> a broken word between two pages to the page on which it begins. And
>>> please
>>> don't move footnote citations from one page to another when preparing
>>> books
>>> for Bookshare. This is an altering of the text that we don't permit.
>
>>> Also, your handling of footnotes by labeling them is absolutely fine and
>>> preferred. You should, however, please, include that text in brackets
>>> like
>>> this:
>
>>> [Footnote: Hop On Pop by Dr. Seuss
>>> End footnote]
>
>>> And finally, to give the best results for all readers please handle
>>> inserting footnote numbers by placing them in brackets [] and surrounding
>>> those by spaces. Though this is not traditional, it has been stated as
>>> the
>>> way that works best for braille readers of Bookshare books who don't have
>>> access to superscripted numbers, and sighted readers using the same books.
>
>>> Thanks for all of your intense attention to detail! You folks with the
>>> patience to tackle this kind of stuff are marvelous! I have to want to
>>> read
>>> a book so badly that I can taste it before I'll willingly attempt
>>> processing
>>> this stuff.
>
>>> Rock on everyone! We truly do have a devoted, conscientious, and just
>>> plain
>>> wonderful group of volunteers! We really value all of you!
>
>>> Mayrie
>
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ohio1803@xxxxx
>>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM
>>> To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
>
>>> Hello Kane,
>
>>> Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is pretty dense,
>>> isn't
>>> it.
>
>>> I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff automatically.
>>> Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the likelihood it
>>> might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing something that
>>> might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen to be a
>>> Bookshare
>>> member who is reading this type of content and want the citation, then
>>> that
>>> is not good. Not to mention the publisher agreements.
>
>>> My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what they think.
>>> I'm not exactly sure, officially.
>
>>> I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with footnotes and
>>> citations on the same page.
>>> Two ways.
>
>>> In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the chapter or
>>> section in which they are.
>>> But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation number with
>>> the
>>> text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct.
>>> Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move through the content
>>> and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is also something
>>> you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime we do this type of
>>> thing, however, great care to make sure you do it without omission or
>>> errors.
>
>>> In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page, and just make
>>> sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual. If you have a
>>> number right up beside the period, it is clear that there is a citation
>>> for
>>> it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket. But maybe I should. So I
>>> did not know about that.
>
>>> But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not think is in
>>> the
>>> manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For example, [footnote
>>> #
>>> 1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1]. Maybe this is
>>> wrong, and I should never do it again.
>
>>> But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I am reading that
>>> this is the citation to the above content.
>>> (The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is probably not
>>> altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for another reader
>>> .
>
>>> Also...
>
>>> In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that the page ends
>>> in a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end of a
>>> sentence
>>> from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of the page, or
>>> vice
>>> versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest on the next
>>> page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in Bookshare books I
>>> download and read. That I don't have to lose my train of thought on a
>>> broken up sentence. But of course a lot of times you just have to be
>>> paying
>>> enough attention as you read, and notice you had a broken sentence and go
>>> find the rest of it.
>
>>> Sorry I got sort of long.
>>> But I hope that helps and makes some sense.
>
>>> Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind of need to
>>> know
>>> they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not want to fool
>>> with
>>> all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned much citations is a
>>> better fit. Especially when we are putting them in this permanent
>>> collection
>>> for the members. If I do it for my own personal reading I often skip all
>>> that stuff, too.
>
>
>
>>> Thanks
>
>>> Rik James
>
>>> *******************************************************
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>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ohio1803@xxxxx
>>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM
>>> To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
>
>>> Hello Kane,
>
>>> Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is pretty dense,
>>> isn't
>>> it.
>
>>> I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff automatically.
>>> Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the likelihood it
>>> might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing something that
>>> might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen to be a
>>> Bookshare
>>> member who is reading this type of content and want the citation, then
>>> that
>>> is not good. Not to mention the publisher agreements.
>
>>> My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what they think.
>>> I'm not exactly sure, officially.
>
>>> I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with footnotes and
>>> citations on the same page.
>>> Two ways.
>
>>> In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the chapter or
>>> section in which they are.
>>> But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation number with
>>> the
>>> text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct.
>>> Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move through the content
>>> and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is also something
>>> you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime we do this type of
>>> thing, however, great care to make sure you do it without omission or
>>> errors.
>
>>> In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page, and just make
>>> sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual. If you have a
>>> number right up beside the period, it is clear that there is a citation
>>> for
>>> it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket. But maybe I should. So I
>>> did not know about that.
>
>>> But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not think is in
>>> the
>>> manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For example, [footnote
>>> #
>>> 1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1]. Maybe this is
>>> wrong, and I should never do it again.
>
>>> But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I am reading that
>>> this is the citation to the above content.
>>> (The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is probably not
>>> altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for another reader
>>> .
>
>>> Also...
>
>>> In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that the page ends
>>> in a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end of a
>>> sentence
>>> from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of the page, or
>>> vice
>>> versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest on the next
>>> page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in Bookshare books I
>>> download and read. That I don't have to lose my train of thought on a
>>> broken up sentence. But of course a lot of times you just have to be
>>> paying
>>> enough attention as you read, and notice you had a broken sentence and go
>>> find the rest of it.
>
>>> Sorry I got sort of long.
>>> But I hope that helps and makes some sense.
>
>>> Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind of need to
>>> know
>>> they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not want to fool
>>> with
>>> all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned much citations is a
>>> better fit. Especially when we are putting them in this permanent
>>> collection
>>> for the members. If I do it for my own personal reading I often skip all
>>> that stuff, too.
>
>
>
>>> Thanks
>
>>> Rik James
>
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