atw: Re: MS Word 2010 and change-tracking

  • From: Neil Maloney <maloneyn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 23:37:15 +1000

Geoffrey,

The last "stable" version of MS Word was 6.0. (and the best-ever version of Windows for stability was Windows NT, jump on me as you will for saying that). Since then, the problems that can cause instability, including document corruption and formatting 'breaking', have only gotten worse, including 2007 (I don't yet have a good understanding of 2010, but it's odds on that it is no better than 2007).

In addition, Microsoft has, since Word v6.0, with each new edition, progressively removed the ability to use the keyboard, leaving the option to either lose productivity (my personal view) by having to use a mouse or touchpad, or having to customise Word to create hotkeys to replace the previous keyboard functionality. Word continues to get more and more "user friendly" and less productive ...

However, Microsoft does not, and never has, promoted MS Word as a professional document authoring tool. The problems you refer to, which I deal with as a regular part of my documentation work, are VERY unlikely to ever occur in a simple Church, or
Parents and Citizens, newsletter or in a simple commercial business report.

The reason that so many of us have to use MS Word is simply because that's what our clients use (which I am sure you understand, but just to cover it here). If we wanted to use a specialist word processing / desktop publishing package that didn't have the instability problems that Word has (including autonumbering!), then we'd all be using FrameMaker, Interleaf/QuickSilver, GNU TeXmacs, LibreOffice (with reservations), etc. ... BUT, then we'd have the problem that our clients wouldn't be able to, or wouldn't want to, work with the documents we have created, and it is often part of the job specs that what we leave behind has to be able to be maintained by the client.

At the same time, yes, it is frustrating to work with software that doesn't do what it is 'advertised' to do / what we want it to, but let's not restrict that plaint to just Microsoft. Why does Adobe software not always work correctly / as we want it to (as per posts made this year to the Austechwriter list?) Why, when we open a Word document in LibreOffice, does it not recognise page numbers that include the section (chapter) number and why, when we export that document from LibreOffice to PDF, do the page breaks not align to the original Word document? Why does Firefox not have a currently-supported Australian dictionary? Why does Thunderbird not allow me to explicitly define the point size of text in emails I create? (And so on.) And why, when I go to an investment adviser, do I get advice that will earn that person a large commission irrespective of whether the investment proposition is a good one for me or not? (Oops ... sorry, wrong forum, easy to get carried away.)

Everything you have said in your post is valid. But if we don't like Sony we buy Panasonic or Philips. If we don't like Holden (how could anyone not like Holden?), we buy Ford or Toyota. When I need to work on-site, however, I don't get a chance to choose what type of security card I'll use to gain access to the building. Neither to I get the chance to choose what word processing software I'll be using for a client's manuals.

It would be nice, however, in a perfect world, to have software licences and consumer protection laws that give us due and just recourse if the software doesn't work as advertised, or is otherwise not fit for purpose. My best suggestion for getting that to happen (i.e. a fighting the good fight for a hopeless cause) is to send off a quick mail to greens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx – Bob seems to be looking for extra crusades to fight at the moment!

Cheers,
Neil.



On 17/07/2011 8:57 PM, Geoffrey Marnell wrote:

Many thanks to everyone who responded to my cry for help. It appears that my original document had numerous swollen lymph glands caused by many cancerous graphics-related corruptions.

 

What this exercise has shown me yet again is how extraordinarily  accepting many  of us in the technical writing profession are of the structural weaknesses in yet another version MS Word, the tool most of us use most of our time to earn our living. (X has failed because MS Word can’t handle manual formatting; Y has failed because MS Word is not good at handling floating graphics. Z has failed because of … some feature that we were sold on but, alas, doesn’t work as advertised.)

 

Crikey, If TEAC, Sony or LG  advertises a feature of, say, a PVR and that feature doesn’t work, don’t we feel— nay, know—that we can take that PVR back to the retailer and get our money back? Why do we accept first-level software that doesn’t work as advertised (MS Word, for example) and not second-level software (the software, for instance, that sits behind a PVR or a set-top box)?  Why aren’t we more rebellious?

 

I’m getting tired of having to continually upgrade our MS products to match the software  our  clients have upgraded to, only to spend eras of unpaid  time trying to work out what aberrant tumours Microsoft has left gnawing away at its supposedly saleable code.

 

Isn’t it time we started to expect, to demand, that the implied warrant of merchantability that applies to all other retailable products—cars, couches, coffee-makers and the like—applied to software as well?

 

In a word: why do we put up with it?

 

 Cheers-less

 

Geoffrey Marnell

Principal Consultant

Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd

T: +61 3 9596 3456

F: +61 3 9596 3625

M: 0419 574 668

W: www.abelard.com.au

Skype: geoffrey.marnell

From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of bja
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 1:23 AM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: MS Word 2010 and change-tracking

 

Hi Geoff,

 

Just to also throw in my tuppence ‘alfpenny, I don’t know how large your document is but have you tried to ‘select all’ and then remove all formatting?

 

Just a thought.

 

Cheers,

 

Bruce

 


From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Marnell
Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2011 5:59 PM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: MS Word 2010 and change-tracking

 

I took your advice Janine. The file opened and then, when started to scroll to page 2, it crashed yet again.

 

Grrr squared

 

 

Geoffrey Marnell

Principal Consultant

Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd

T: +61 3 9596 3456

F: +61 3 9596 3625

M: 0419 574 668

W: www.abelard.com.au

Skype: geoffrey.marnell

From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Janine Crutch
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 5:44 PM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: MS Word 2010 and change-tracking

 

Hi Geoffrey

 

Why not do an “Open and Repair” from dropdown “Open” Open and Repair. Ctrl O (File Open) in 2010.

 

Janine

 

From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Marnell
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:15 PM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: MS Word 2010 and change-tracking

 

Hi austechies

 

I have change-tracking turned on and, after every change I make to a document, Word 2010 tells me it has encountered a serious error and has to close. Yes, after every single change. It’s driving me batty.

 

Has any else had this problem and knows of a workaround?

 

Cheers

 

 

Geoffrey Marnell

Principal Consultant

Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd

T: +61 3 9596 3456

F: +61 3 9596 3625

M: 0419 574 668

W: www.abelard.com.au

Skype: geoffrey.marnell


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