LOL...I was wondering what a "toque" was, too! Glad we cleared that up. On a more serious note, don't you have to worry about the color of the beanie rubbing off on the ballcap bill? I had that issue when I tried putting some backing material between the bill and the frame - it rubbed the color of the backing onto the bill! That meant that now I had to concern myself with the COLOR of the material I put there to protect the bills. And to answer someone else's question: Yes, it always occurs when I'm having to put a design close to the bottom of the cap, which brings the bill up against the thread holder bar. Just seems to me to that the "depth" of the frame is too much for properly stitching ballcaps near the bottom of the front panel - in other words, a design flaw in the space used at the bottom of the needle case - or more specifically, the distance between the needles and the thread holder bar - which I measured to be JUST OVER 1.3 inches! I can't believe all other commercial embroidery machines exhibit this potential issue with stitching ballcaps. I will try to "unflex" the bills to see if that helps, but some bills - especially sandwich bills - are too stiff to uncurve much. I'll also see if I can bend the bill holder back a bit without breaking it, but I don't hold out much hope for that, since there's very little leeway at that low of a point on the bill holder. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions! Jim -----Original Message----- To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: Marks on Ballcap bills beanies sounds kind of whimpy compared to toque.... Ram Printing and Promotions Inc wrote: >canadian winter head garment traditionally knit or fleece. I think you guys down south call them beanies? >>Dana, >>What's a toque? >>>cut the top off a small toque and then pop over the top of the >>> >>> >>bill prior to embroidery. This rubs on the toque and not the frame