I thought you were referring to the presenters, hence my own comment, not to
Pete. I haven’t used the app either, but what I would say is that apps that
are self-voicing tend to defeat the purpose if they are designed for blind
people to use who are likely to have VoiceOver turned on in any case. I
totally agree with you there.
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ;
Sent: 28 February 2018 16:13
Subject: [access-uk] Re: products made for the blind
What really got to me about what you were saying about the app was that you
were so convinced that having it self-voiced as opposed to using the already
inbuilt speech capabilities of, for example, the iPhone was a good thing. As
most people who are likely to be using the app are likely to be already
familiar with programs such as VoiceOver and TalkBack, to me it just doesn't
make sense to introduce another voice which requires turning off the facility
with which we are already familiar and which we use all the time not only to
hear the output from the our phone or tablet, but also to input to our device.
Both VoiceOver and TalkBack have an impact on the method of inputting text
which is obviously going to be different when these accessibility programs are
switched off. At this point, I should say that I am not a Calibre member.
However, on downloading the app and even with VoiceOver switched off, I found
it extremely difficult if not impossible to enter a number even though I could
hear the numbers being spoken. There seemed to be no way I could tell if a
number had been successfully input.
I was also concerned that it was said that the app was made self-voicing
because of the fact that there are different flavours of Android. those who are
more well-versed in these matters than I will be able to comment on this more
effectively than i, but as i understand it TalkBack is essentially the same on
whatever device it is installed. VoiceOver is always the sameacr Apple devices.
Even if the long-term aim is to allow for the entry of requests etc by voice,
it still seems to me that an app which is largely intended to be used by people
with partial or no sight should make use of OS accessibility featurcs designed
to help such people rather than have them required to be turned off. If an app
is to be produced which is in the main going to be used by blind and partially
sfghted people, it just seems to me to be counter-productive not to make the
app properly accessible by using the already provided accessibility features of
the Android or Apple operating systems.
I will also say that if I have caused you any offence by my remarks in my last
message, I unreservedly apologise.
On 28 Feb 2018, at 3:18 pm, pete gurney <pete@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:pete@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
i presume you are speaking about me as i was the one being interviewed on the
perhaps you would like to explain what is wrong with the Calibre download
app,presuming you have actually used it.
and what i was supposed to have said that made it look like i didn't know what
i am speaking about.
there are a lot of people on this list that have known me for years and know
that i am very technically minded and don't just speak a load of rubbish so i
can put my pennies worth in to a thread.
i'd be more than happy to explain anything you would like to know about the
calibre app and why things were done the way they were.