[access-uk] Re: Virgin trains access to their restaurant menus
- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:09:54 -0000
PDF and access to the format is a complex issue, but Iain is basically
right in what he's saying. I did come across a file the other week
that didn't give me an option to save as text in the save-as dialogue
though, but perhaps that was a limitation imposed tby the author,
which given that the subject matter was disability related, seems at
the least unhelpful.
Certainly though many VI users still find PDf's a hassle. One thing
that seems lacking is the number of elements you can use for
navigation within a PDF. This though seems to be down to more than
limitations of MSAA as a thread on GW Micro's list revealed that
getting at more info within PDF's has more to it than that.
Cheers,
From Ray
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-----Original Message-----
Iain Lackie
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Virgin trains access to their restaurant
menus
PdF files have been accessible since JAWS version 4 at least with
Adobe
version 5. While the contents of some Adobe files may be inaccessible
in the
same way that the contents of some Word files are inaccessible, Adobe
files
have been potentially reasonably accessible now for a number of years.
Unfortunately the myth that all PDF files are inaccessible is a myth
which
sadly has taken too much hold.
Iain
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:38 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Virgin trains access to their restaurant
menus
Iain said
"A PDF file is accessed in the same way as any other attachment."
Are you saying it's irrelevant which version of Windows used,
and irrelevant which version of jaws used?
Maybe this is the crux of issue, some people are forgetting that not
everyone has up-to-date software, and not everyone has same
knowledge of
their system.
Everyone is different in terms of abilities, knowledge, and access
to
training.
It's the same sort of issue for mobility.
Just as one may argue: "get your access I.T training then you are
ok" One could also argue: "Get a guide dog, or learn how to use
long cane then you are ok out there"
Sadly real world not as simple as that is it!
Regards, Derek
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