Hi Martin The quota not necessary because if one Feels one has been rejected simply because of disability, One can sue the company. The problem will be to win such a case one would need to Show the court evidence to backup such claim of Discrimination. Regards, Derek -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of martin wilsher Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:52 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options There was a quota for the numbers of disabled people employed in a company before the DDA was enacted I think. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke Sent: 04 November 2010 16:46 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options I agree with you again Derek but not talking about the company you mention, in general, I believe the sad situation is that there has to be a ruling authority about employing a number of disabled people in the workplace, otherwise such people are left on the back burner. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options > But there was discussion about taking ona blind person, Why? > > Nobody should be taken on because blind. > So what's the problem? > > Are you trying to say that Sight & Sound reject Those that are > blind! > > I am saying it doesn't matter if staff are sighted or not. > > Regards, Derek > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Paul Leake > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:50 PM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options > > derek nobody is recommending taking a blind person on if they don't > have the > > ability to do the job, what a silly suggestion you make! who needs > enemies with you as a friend? > > Cheers > > Paul > > paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:34 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options > > >> Hi Jackie >> Surely it would be bad management if one was to take on A member >> of staff on the basis blind. >> >> Staff should never be taken on based on disability, it should >> Always be based on ability to do the job, And also is there need >> for the extra job? >> Clearly in the case of Sight & Sound, they must feel they Have >> enough staff now. >> Regards, Derek >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >> Behalf Of Jackie Cairns >> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:31 PM >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options >> >> As you know Paul, I gave S and S every assistance I could to >> advertise and recruit a blind person with good Braille skills to >> become part of the company before I left. Sadly, however, nothing >> was done about it, I moved away, and thankfully we all appear to be >> happy with the paths we have taken. >> (smile). >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Jackie Cairns >> J&M Work-Ability >> >> jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> www.work-ability.co.uk >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >> Behalf Of Paul Leake >> Sent: 03 November 2010 22:28 >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options >> >> i think it is a great pity that a company the size of sight and sound >> chooses not to employ fulltime a blind person in such a role! this >> calls into question your commitment to employing blind people in my >> view! very poor indeed! >> >> Cheers >> >> Paul >> >> paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Glenn Tookey" <Glenn.Tookey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:16 PM >> Subject: [access-uk] FW: Re: Braille display options >> >> >>> Actually we do have a blind person to demonstrate, train and support >>> our customer base. We have Jonathan Tyrer, who works UK wide for us >>> in this role. He is not a full time employee, but he works for us on >>> a day to day basis and has been successful. He has a very wide >>> experience base - not just Freedom products, but all software and >>> hardware and also more recently Apple solutions. >>> >>> This for me is what we are all about, looking after our customer >>> base, so if you would like to learn more about the Focus 40 Blue >>> just contact us and we will do our best to help. >>> >>> Regards >>> Glenn >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >>> Behalf Of Jackie Cairns >>> Sent: 02 November 2010 10:02 >>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille display options >>> >>> They don't have a blind person like myself to go out and demo, train >>> and support their Braille products as it currently stands and, in my >>> honest experience, there is nobody like a Braillist to really >>> demonstrate what a display or other similar hardware can do. >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> Jackie Cairns >>> J&M Work-Ability >>> >>> jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> www.work-ability.co.uk >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >>> Behalf Of Eleanor Burke >>> Sent: 02 November 2010 09:49 >>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille display options >>> >>> Ask Sight & Sound Catherine. Sight & Sound are aware that it does >>> not work with the N97 Mini as I told them. Also informed Freedom >>> Scientific. >>> Maybe >>> it has to do with N97 Mini being a 5th generation phone but it works >>> well with the other phones. Don't Sight & Sound have a service, >>> well they did when Jackie worked there, where someone would come out >>> and show you a Braille display, in that case, the person could try >>> it with our phone and then you would know before purchasing it. >>> There is a really nice man at Freedom Scientific who uses the Focus >>> Blue all the time with his phone. >>> I >>> wrote to him too re the drivers but whether they do anything about >>> it or not is anyone's guess. While I was disappointed, I have to >>> say of course that the Focus Blue is excellent in conjunction with >>> PC also. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Catherine Turner" <catherineturner2007@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:24 AM >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille display options >>> >>> >>>> Ah. Did you ask the manufacturer about this? Is there a particular >>>> reason why it doesn't work with the n97 mini? Is there any way of >>>> knowing before purchase whether it would work or not. I will have to >>>> ask Sight And Sound about it, but presumably if it didn't work I could >>>> return it for a refund. >>>> >>>> Catherine >>>> >>>> On 11/3/10, Eleanor Burke <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> you want to ensure that it will work as I got the Focus Blue and it >>>>> does not work with the N97 Mini but iT works with my other phones. >>>>> -original message- >>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Braille display options >>>>> From: Catherine Turner <catherineturner2007@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> Date: 02/11/2010 7:37 am >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> My BrailleNote PK died recently and I decided it wasn't worth the >>>>> price to fix it, it needing a new memory board. So I am tentatively >>>>> looking at braille display options. I need either to be able to >>>>> write notes on the braille display, or for the display to work with >>>>> my Nokia >>>>> E5 mobile phone running Talks. 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