[access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
- From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 16:01:01 +0100
Or hearing people learn sign language!
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Peter Beasley
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Using your lojic, sighted children should have to learn Braille.
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From: "Norman Waddington" <normanwaddington504@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -
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> Jackie,
>
> I quite agree with you in that I went through the blind school system.
> One
> thing I would point out though taking a different tack. Blind children
> should if at all possible be taught to write their name properly if at all
> possible. Perhaps they could also be taught to write notes for sighted
> people?
>
> Norman.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of Jackie Brown
>> Sent: 22 May 2014 12:33
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -
>> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>>
>> Interesting Eleanor. Perhaps people like Steve Nutt and I were lucky to
>> have good Braille tuition at our school in that era. It is one of the
>> few
>> things about boarding-school I guess I am grateful for. And I suppose it
>> depends whether you like using Braille and can make it the tool it has
>> always been for me at least. I am passionate about it, and I am not sure
>> there is a day that passes when I don't come into contact with it for
>> something.
>>
>> True everyone is different, but I will never be dissuaded from the belief
>> that youngsters today should be taught Braille wherever possible if they
>> have a severe visual impairment where print is of no value to them.
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Jackie Brown
>> Twitter: @thebrownsplace
>> Skype: Thejackmate
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Eleanor Martha Burke
>> Sent: 22 May 2014 12:14
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -
>> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>>
>> Indeed that is correct. I am just talking about my own experience and
>> how
>> learning Braille for me did not assist me well in Capitalisation,
>> punctuation and spelling.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Of
>> Karl Proud
>> Sent: 22 May 2014 12:12
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -
>> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>>
>> I would have thought that capitalisation and other punctuation would be
>> easily taught using type and speech as well as if using braille?
>>
>> Karl
>> On 22 May 2014, at 11:56 am, "Eleanor Martha Burke"
>> <eleanormarthaburke@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Continuing the discussion Jackie, I learned Braille at school and still
>> use
>> it, however I did not learn capitalisation, other than that I was
>> informed
>> that one always puts a capital letter after a full stop. American
>> Braille
>> however, includes capitalisation and punctuation. It was only as an
>> adult
>> Braillist that I learned all the symbols that indicated punctuation such
>> as
>> underline, italic etc. As for spelling I am not good at spelling and I
>> personally attribute this to Braille Grade ii but there you are!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Jackie Brown
>> Sent: 22 May 2014 11:32
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -
>> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>>
>> Hi Vince
>>
>> Not sure how much we are wandering here, but I do think it is relevant to
>> assistive technology.
>>
>> What concerns me about the reliance, if you like, on speech all the time
>> for
>> visually impaired youngsters - especially those with no sight at all - is
>> that they are less likely to spell, punctuate and capitalise
>> appropriately.
>> You miss these things with speech unless you are patient enough to go
>> through everything you listen to letter by letter. If these crucial
>> elements are not taught to blind children in mainstream education because
>> it
>> is considered that Braille is unnecessary, I really believe the kids are
>> missing out.
>>
>> Had my son been born with any eye condition, I would have taught him to
>> read
>> and write Braille myself, unquestionably. While I type more than Braille
>> these days, I am lucky enough to be able to swap just like that.
>>
>> Martin has acquired sight loss due to RP, but he taught himself to read
>> and
>> write grade two Braille a few years ago in case he ever needed it. While
>> he
>> reads with his fingers quite slowly, he has a great memory for everything
>> he
>> taught himself.
>>
>> I just can't see Braille dying out in the immediate future, certainly not
>> while I am alive with any luck! (smile).
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Jackie Brown
>> Twitter: @thebrownsplace
>> Skype: Thejackmate
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Vincent Thacker
>> Sent: 21 May 2014 23:35
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -
>> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>>
>>
>>
>> Jackie,
>>
>> I didn't achieve registration as blind until I was about 54, by which
>> time
>> I
>> had too much else going on to fit learning Braile in as well. Sorry to
>> say
>> that I've taken the line of least resistance and use a screen reader for
>> almost everything.
>>
>> I did learn a bit of Braille at my local blind society in the end, but
>> didn't get any further than "a sad lad" and "dad will yell at you" and
>> such
>> things. Then I had to stop because of other commitments.
>>
>> But I agree that for children, it's surely an advantage to know Braille,
>> even just as a quality of life measure. How else are the kids going to
>> get
>> any private reading, or private writing, for that matter? Great though
>> audio
>> books are, they are not the same as reading a book in print. It's too
>> passive somehow to my mind. I'm sure reading Braille would come closer to
>> the printed word.
>>
>> Just my tuppence worth, as someone who knows nothing but won't shut up.
>>
>> Vince.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ========================================
>> Message Received: May 21 2014, 05:02 PM
>> From: "Jackie Brown"
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Cc:
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of
>> Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>>
>> Hi Clive
>>
>> Yes, same goes for me. And I do believe children born blind should
>> still be
>> strongly encouraged to read and write good Braille wherever this is
>> possible.
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Jackie Brown
>> Twitter: @thebrownsplace
>> Skype: Thejackmate
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: 21 May 2014 16:28
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of
>> Braille? -
>> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I read less and listen more. This is partly because there is much
>> more
>> literature accessible to us now that listening to audio books has
>> become a
>> sighted thing. However, one reason I don't have a personal problem
>> with this
>> change in my reading habits is that I already know how to
>> communicate in
>> writing...I hope! However, I'd hate to have been born blind and
>> never had
>> the chance to read and write independently.
>>
>> Best,
>> Clive
>>
>>
>> Clive Lever
>> Diversity and Equality Officer
>> Kent County Council
>>
>> Office: 01622 221163
>> Email: clive.lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> Kent County Council
>> Room G37
>> Sessions House
>> Maidstone, Kent.
>> ME14 1XQ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Gordon Keen
>> Sent: 21 May 2014 16:21
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of
>> Braille? -
>> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Yes that was my take on the article as well, however I decided to
>> post the
>> article as I felt that some might want to visit the exhibition with
>> a view
>> to expressing their opinion once they had actually attended.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> G
>>
>> From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England.
>> .
>>
>> On 21 May 2014, at 15:44, Iain Lackie
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I wasn't aware that the journalist was dismissing braille. If
>> anything,
>> the professor was concerned that blind people were being denied
>> access to
>> braille due to the rise of the use of other digital sources of
>> information.
>> I think it unfair to blame the journalist for expressing the fears
>> of
>> someone else. If braille is not taught, of course it will die out. I
>> have to
>> say that even as a braille user, I read much less braille than I
>> used to. I
>> don't read any less, however.
>> >
>> > Iain
>> >
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