Hi Alan. That isn’t the point. Firstly, playing games with someone face to face rather than using a flaming computer is my aim here, but more importantly its precisely this kind of over pricing for braille that puts many blind people off learning it. We hear on a regular basis on programs like in touch and through the RNIB themselves that children aren’t learning and or using braille because of the cost of equipment and brailed products and for other reasons, so RNIB should be setting the standard here and setting examples. By doubling in price the cost of their brailed playing cards, they’re discriminating not only against those who need braille and cant use large print, but at large putting off the vast numbers of blind individuals who want to learn braille but who might not want to rely on it because of the cost of braille equipment and items. All the best, Ibrahim. From: ALAN THORPE Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:47 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Chancing the cards? hi well the really old ones came in tins but for the past 10 years or so they have been in a box. and what sort of games would you play as there are some accessible card games for the computer. MANY THANKS ALAN THORPE TEL 0114 220 7007 07961 406 739 EMAIL info@xxxxxxxxxxxxx WEB www.eyecan.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Moore To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Chancing the cards? Hi, OMG?! They have discovered metal?! The set I have are quite old and came in a cardboard box. Is there no apps or software programs which are accessible? Regards, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke Sent: 05 February 2012 11:38 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Chancing the cards? The box! don't you mean the tin? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Moore To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:36 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Chancing the cards? Ibrahim, Obviously you have failed to take into regard the high quality box the cards come in..... though it is to protect the less than sufficient quality of the playing cards, so the bumps don't get flattened!! It's a sod, but I agree with Peter, buy a good quality set of cards, the vinyl ones which will give a good sharpness of Braille and mark them yourself. You can also come up with a better system of ID.. Kindest, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu Sent: 05 February 2012 10:11 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Chancing the cards? Hi Everyone. I know we’ve discussed games on here in the past, so I thought I’d raise this issue as it raises my hackles somewhat. I was on the RNIB online shop this morning looking for brailed playing cards, and was shocked to discover that these cards cost £7.26, while the standard printed cards cost less than half this at £3.5. For an organisation that claims to promote equal access, this is hardly an encouragement to take up a new hobbies or interest as it penalises those of us who must use braille. A couple of sets of these cards would set me back a Wapping £14.5, an outrageous amount of money considering that the work required to adapt these cards IE putting a suit and numeric denominator on each hardly merits such an inflated price. Thoughts anyone? All the best, Ibrahim.