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<phoenix@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 4/27/21 5:55 PM (GMT-05:00) To:
56raf_firebirds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [56raf_firebirds] Re: Skirmish over the
northern Kuban sea I actually called a warning to Java. They're not great at
keeping consistent formations so we can spot attackers. Also, I think they're
having real problem spotting with their Reverb G2s. I sorted out a
cockpit-moving problem for them at the end of the evening.So, in real life, as
long as they weren't directly attacked I think the Tempests with bombs would
have continued to target as we did, because that's their mission. Shooting down
enemy fighters is a secondary objective. Us bombers assume the escort can look
after themselves unless outnumbered.There's a case to be made that we should
have turned back when Roke & Stickz got attacked. But by then I wouldn't have
known how many were down.56RAF_phoenixOn 26/04/2021 20:01, Bart (Redacted
sender bart_56 for DMARC) wrote:> Blaggards took off in K4’s from Kerch to
patrol the northern sea lanes > after flying north and then eastwards we
sighted a formation of 5 > aircraft.>> With instructions of get in and out, no
mixing it, I was preparing to > take the rear left(most southern) of the
formation. When Witch > declared that he had another aircraft away slightly
north and rear of > the formation, I dipped my wing to look and saw another
aircraft > underneath me to the rear centre of the formation. So targets were >
changed and these were the first two.>> Witch attacked his target(Biggles) a
P51 caused enough damage to knock > him out of any fight, I hit my target(Ice)
with cannon and he went > into an unrecoverable spin, two down.>> We saw the
main formation turn to the south as we recovered from our > attack. With the
most southerly pair of Tempests(Phoenix/Pod) with a > P51(Jumper) turning south
more or less the same time it left the > northern pair of Tempests(Roke/Stickz)
lagging behind and a gap > started to open even more.>> So now the chase is on
we dived down towards the rear pair, noticing > the front three were some way
in front, we would have three vs two. I > was lining up on the rear right
Tempest(Stickz), they must of seen us > as Stickz turned left followed by Roke.
Not being able to follow the > turn, I did a classic climb extend out, roll out
then match the flat > turn for line up. The fight was on:).>> Now unbeknown by
us there was a fourth P51(Roode Duivel) who was way > to the rear(east) of
everyone else at the beginning, who had now > caught up and joined the fight,
but some of the long long range > shooting;).>> Now we have a 3 vs 3, I managed
to get one Tempest(Roke), we then had > a conga line, P51(Roode Duivel) chasing
our Red Devil, with Moose, > chasing him and Tempest(Stickz) chasing Moose.>
Now I reckon if only Stickz had got rid of all his bombs(the right > wing bomb
was still attached), he would have had a better chance of > hitting Moose,
especially with those Tempest guns;). As it turned out > Moose got the Roode
Duivel which just left Stickz, who was shot down > by Witch.>> A few things we
noticed the 51’s, were at around 18000ft, we were at > 23000ft, and they were
well spread out. So maybe they might want to go > a bit higher than they were
and operate in closer pairs if possible?> The Tempest were in good finger four
formation.>> Did you get warned that two 51’s were down ?>> When the formation
turned south maybe get the northern pair go first, > as they had the furthest
to go and could close the gap that way. The > gap just got bigger, and there
was no way they were going to catch up, > the front group.>> Once we saw that
the front group were not coming back it helped us > dictate the fight with a 3
vs 2 situation. The fourth 51 almost threw > a spanner in the works as we were
then 3 vs 3. If the front group had > dropped bombs and come back to help the
rear group at the very least > it would have caused us to disengage. As then it
would have been 6 vs > 3, and they would have had more energy as the 51 had,
agree or disagree?>> https://56punjabvirtualsquad.boards.net/post/459/thread ;>
<https://56punjabvirtualsquad.boards.net/post/459/thread>>> Any thoughts, how
did you see the skirmish go?>> Good fight <S>>> Bart>>>>
