--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Joseph Polanik <jPolanik@...> wrote: Bruce wrote. > >Which is to say, would you agree, that the relationship between the > >experiencer and what is experienced is not causal, but, let's say, > >instrumental (in the sense of it suits my purpose to take them to be)? > > a lot depends on what you mean by '*what* is experienced'. suppose you > look at a red ball. would you say that you experience the physical > object that appears to you as a red ball; or, would you say that you > experience redness, roundness and so on? I would say "I see a red ball." If I had reason to doubt my senses, I might question whether it was physical, a illusion, or, perhaps, an hallucination. When I'm in my artist frame of mind, I'd might say "I experience its redness, etc.". But I wouldn't mean that these experiences floated free of an object. Does this help with my question? bruce ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/