--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "SWM" <SWMirsky@...> wrote: > The point is what is consciousness, i.e., is it a feature (or features) of a certain kind of system or > is it something that cannot be reduced to that? Your questions are confusing. Easily I can say "consciousness is a feature of organismic systems, simply meaning, some organisms are conscious. Where is the puzzle here? Reduction? If X is a feature of a system it is part of the system and not reduced to it. > If it can be reduced to that in brains No "if" about it, in one sense. I can refer to the parts of the brain that are correlated with various conscious states. But there is no reduction here. I'm simply attributing to the brain "mental" features which, of course, the brain doesn't have, the person has. > The question is what is consciousness, what is it that we are saying is caused? Which begs the question of whether consciousness is the sort of concept that can be accounted for in causal terms. I have a beer. My demeanor changes. Exactly what did the beer cause? It reduced the availability of oxygen to the brain cells. The brain fired differently. In order to relate this change in brain, to change in MY demeanor, I, as a person, has to be introduced into the account. "I" don't fit anywhere in the causal change. bruce ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/