--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "gabuddabout" <wittrsamr@...> wrote: Budd is responding to Stuart. So ">>" lines are quoted from Stuart (= SWM), and ">" lines are quoted from Budd. >> This misses the point again. > No it doesn't. It targets your point that parallel processing offers > us something more COMPUTATIONALLY than serial computing. Can you point out where Stuart said that parallel processing provides something special, other than raw compute power. I seem to have missed that. > That is decidedly false and Searle's CR is equivalent to a UTM and > ALL possible parallel processing DEFINED IN COMPUTATIONAL TERMS is > also equivalent to what can be done serially with a UTM. If computational AI is possible (and I don't assume it is), then Searle's CR is equivalent to a computer so highly powered that it could maybe have one thought every 1000 years. It is grossly underpowered for the job. And I'm pretty sure that is what Stuart was pointing out. That the CR is so underpowered, makes it implausible as a source of intelligence. And since Searle's argument is at beast only an attempt to show AI is implausible, his underpowered equipment makes the argument very misleading. > No one is ever going to find that some process or other is > intrinsically computational. This actually has no consequences, as far as I can tell. It's a side issue. > The upshot of so saying is that it makes it difficult to distinguish > the truly mental from nonmental. > And this is the upshot of the systems reply as a reply to Searle's > CRA. I am wondering whether you have ever read the Systems reply. It has no such consequences, and it is actually the correct response to Searle's bogus argument. I'll add that I actually think Searle might be right about AI. However, his CRA was a complete failure at showing that. Regards, Neil ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/