(VICT) Re: escallator travel
- From: "Donna Waring" <donna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:32:27 +0100
I also have never used the clicker to teach escalators either.
Donna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sheila Styron" <sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: (VICT) Re: escallator travel
> Actually, I have no trouble on escalators myself physically. However, I
> don't know just how I as a total could observe my dog planning and
> executing the jump and clicking at the precise moments that might be
> most helpful to my dog. My current guide seems to hesitate more at the
> beginning and anticipate the jump off at the end with much enthusiasm. I
> do not let her get out in front of me near the end of the ride until I
> know it's just beginning to level off. Then she instantaneously is
> allowed lots of leash to jump off as quickly and out as far ahead of me
> as she thinks she needs to. I let her be in charge of her own paws
> during this process.
>
> Sheila Styron, President
> Guide Dog Users, Inc.
> 816-363-3172
> sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donna
> Waring
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:23 PM
> To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: (VICT) Re: escallator travel
>
>
> Sheila, I normally wait till I can just start to feel the escalator
> flatten.
> Then I allow the dog to jump. But I agree, it's a pretty visual thing
> and
> it's hard to judge if you have no sight at all like myself.
>
> Donna
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sheila Styron" <sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:15 PM
> Subject: (VICT) Re: escallator travel
>
>
>> Kitty, your explanation makes perfect sense, and it is difficult to
>> imagine what happened to Sunstar's paw if she jumped in time. I am so
>> used to doing escalators now that your experience serves as a good
>> reminder of why schools didn't train this task for so many years. I
>> once vacuumed my cat's tail with the beater bar of my machine, because
>
>> I guess she was playing chicken with me and didn't move. I of course
>> didn't know she was there, and when she screamed, I thought I was
>> going to die. The tail hung limply, and as I got us to the vet, I
>> didn't know quite how I would be able to live normally if Kitty Romba
>> didn't recover from my unintended assault. Fortunately, the tail
>> recovered except for a small lump to remind me of the horrible
>> experience. To make this post clicker related, I was thinking about
>> how someone blind could use the clicker to help with good timing on
>> escalators for a guide dog, and my initial reaction is that it is a
>> pretty visual process. It has always been my instinct to let the dog
>> who was trained to perform this task have as much freedom as she wants
>
>> in deciding when to make her moves, and I don't know how I would click
>
>> any of the steps in the process. Both my dogs who have done escalators
>
>> have been a bit over eager about jumping off at the end of the ride,
>> and I have had to make certain they don't leap too soon or
>> energetically, without impeding their ability to make enough of a move
>
>> to get off safely. Once off, both have acted as if they have hit a
>> home run or something and have enjoyed wagging their own tails for a
>> job well done.
>>
>> Sheila Styron, President
>> Guide Dog Users, Inc.
>> 816-363-3172
>> sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of kitty
>> hevener
>> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:07 PM
>> To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: (VICT) Re: escallator travel
>>
>>
>> Hi Sheila, She jumps and I walk. The first person who trained us
>> wanted me to get off earlier than I do but I could not do it for
>> balance reasons.
>>
>> The person who worked with us later watched me do escallators without
>> the dog, retrained her, and then had us both do it. I tend to keep my
>
>> right
>>
>> foot on the next step, (when going up) and kind of let the thing push
>> me
>>
>> off. With her, I extend my right arm forward on the railing so that
> I
>> can
>> get an earlier warning of the leveling off process. When it starts to
>
>> level, I give longer leash and tell her to jump. Hope that xplanation
>
>> makes sense, smile!!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sheila Styron" <sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 12:00 PM
>> Subject: (VICT) Re: escallator travel
>>
>>
>> Kitty,
>> This is disturbing news, and I can certainly see how such a negative
>> experience would be more than unnerving? I have a couple of questions
>
>> for you if you don't mind. Does Sunstar jump on and off the escalator
>> or just walk, and did her injury take place right at the end or
>> someplace before. I hope you don't mind my asking. I have ridden
>> escalators with both my last two dogs, and there is a little
>> hesitation and jump to get on board and a fairly pronounced jump to
>> get off which I have to make sure everyone is prepared for. Gretch may
>
>> be over exaggerating this process, but so far, both my dogs have been
>> safe. I am so sorry Sunstar was injured.
>>
>> Sheila Styron, President
>> Guide Dog Users, Inc.
>> 816-363-3172
>> sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of kitty
>> hevener
>> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 11:41 AM
>> To: visually impaired clicker trainers
>> Subject: (VICT) escallator travel
>>
>>
>> Hi Everyone, I am wondering if you take your guide or service dog on
>> escallators. If so, have you ever had your dog get injured? A few
>> years ago, at an acb convention, I had an instructor from my school
>> teach me and my dog how to do escallator travel. I decided to do that
>
>> after having to wait forever for an elevator. All went well, and we
>> traveled by escallator for the past 3-4 years. Unfortunately, on jul
>> 13, 3 hours in to my short stay in toronto, something went very very
>> wrong!! As we were getting off the up escallator, my girl started
>> yelping very loudly. I immediately started yelling for someone to
>> stop the escallator. I was loosing my balance as well. The end
>> result was that she had to have stitches in her back paw. The vet
>> said that he could see the tissue, but he did not see any damage to
>> her ligaments muscles, or tendons. I honostly do not know how the
>> accident happened. And, I really feel horrible as the last thing I
>> would ever want is to cause her any pain. Friends have asked if we
>> will continue escallator travel. At this point, I am not sure I will
>> ever be able to do it again. Yet, at times, there doesn't seem to be
>> any other alternative.
>>
>> Any thought as to how such an accident could have occurred? Btw, her
>> nails did not get caught at all. My vet said her injury is healing
>> nicely. I
>>
>> have an appointment on tuesday and am hoping they will remove the
>> stitches, if there are any left. A friend who is a physician's
>> assistant changed her bandage yesterday, and, shortly after he left, I
>
>> discovered that she had
>>
>> pulled it off and was licking the paw. Got another bandage on and she
>
>> managed to take it and a boot that have had on her when she goes
>> outside, off and was again licking the area. A neighbor who is a
>> nurse helped me
>>
>> bandage it again. She couldn't tell if sunstar had done any damage.
>> Until yesterday, I had been able to give her bully sticks and other
>> things to distract her from trying to get the bandage off. I am
>> wondering if her instincts are telling her that it is time to remove
>> the stitches and that is what she is attempting to do. Any thoughts?
>>
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