(VICT) Re: escallator travel
- From: "Donna Waring" <donna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:23:24 +0100
Sheila, I normally wait till I can just start to feel the escalator flatten.
Then I allow the dog to jump. But I agree, it's a pretty visual thing and
it's hard to judge if you have no sight at all like myself.
Donna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sheila Styron" <sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:15 PM
Subject: (VICT) Re: escallator travel
> Kitty, your explanation makes perfect sense, and it is difficult to
> imagine what happened to Sunstar's paw if she jumped in time. I am so
> used to doing escalators now that your experience serves as a good
> reminder of why schools didn't train this task for so many years. I once
> vacuumed my cat's tail with the beater bar of my machine, because I
> guess she was playing chicken with me and didn't move. I of course
> didn't know she was there, and when she screamed, I thought I was going
> to die. The tail hung limply, and as I got us to the vet, I didn't know
> quite how I would be able to live normally if Kitty Romba didn't recover
> from my unintended assault. Fortunately, the tail recovered except for a
> small lump to remind me of the horrible experience. To make this post
> clicker related, I was thinking about how someone blind could use the
> clicker to help with good timing on escalators for a guide dog, and my
> initial reaction is that it is a pretty visual process. It has always
> been my instinct to let the dog who was trained to perform this task
> have as much freedom as she wants in deciding when to make her moves,
> and I don't know how I would click any of the steps in the process. Both
> my dogs who have done escalators have been a bit over eager about
> jumping off at the end of the ride, and I have had to make certain they
> don't leap too soon or energetically, without impeding their ability to
> make enough of a move to get off safely. Once off, both have acted as if
> they have hit a home run or something and have enjoyed wagging their own
> tails for a job well done.
>
> Sheila Styron, President
> Guide Dog Users, Inc.
> 816-363-3172
> sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of kitty
> hevener
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:07 PM
> To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: (VICT) Re: escallator travel
>
>
> Hi Sheila, She jumps and I walk. The first person who trained us wanted
> me
> to get off earlier than I do but I could not do it for balance reasons.
>
> The person who worked with us later watched me do escallators without
> the
> dog, retrained her, and then had us both do it. I tend to keep my right
>
> foot on the next step, (when going up) and kind of let the thing push me
>
> off. With her, I extend my right arm forward on the railing so that I
> can
> get an earlier warning of the leveling off process. When it starts to
> level, I give longer leash and tell her to jump. Hope that xplanation
> makes
> sense, smile!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sheila Styron" <sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 12:00 PM
> Subject: (VICT) Re: escallator travel
>
>
> Kitty,
> This is disturbing news, and I can certainly see how such a negative
> experience would be more than unnerving? I have a couple of questions
> for you if you don't mind. Does Sunstar jump on and off the escalator or
> just walk, and did her injury take place right at the end or someplace
> before. I hope you don't mind my asking. I have ridden escalators with
> both my last two dogs, and there is a little hesitation and jump to get
> on board and a fairly pronounced jump to get off which I have to make
> sure everyone is prepared for. Gretch may be over exaggerating this
> process, but so far, both my dogs have been safe. I am so sorry Sunstar
> was injured.
>
> Sheila Styron, President
> Guide Dog Users, Inc.
> 816-363-3172
> sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of kitty
> hevener
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 11:41 AM
> To: visually impaired clicker trainers
> Subject: (VICT) escallator travel
>
>
> Hi Everyone, I am wondering if you take your guide or service dog on
> escallators. If so, have you ever had your dog get injured? A few
> years ago, at an acb convention, I had an instructor from my school
> teach me and my dog how to do escallator travel. I decided to do that
> after having to wait forever for an elevator. All went well, and we
> traveled by escallator for the past 3-4 years. Unfortunately, on jul
> 13, 3 hours in to my short stay in toronto, something went very very
> wrong!! As we were getting off the up escallator, my girl started
> yelping very loudly. I immediately started yelling for someone to stop
> the escallator. I was loosing my balance as well. The end result was
> that she had to have stitches in her back paw. The vet said that he
> could see the tissue, but he did not see any damage to her ligaments
> muscles, or tendons. I honostly do not know how the accident happened.
> And, I really feel horrible as the last thing I would ever want is to
> cause her any pain. Friends have asked if we will continue escallator
> travel. At this point, I am not sure I will ever be able to do it
> again. Yet, at times, there doesn't seem to be any other alternative.
>
> Any thought as to how such an accident could have occurred? Btw, her
> nails did not get caught at all. My vet said her injury is healing
> nicely. I
>
> have an appointment on tuesday and am hoping they will remove the
> stitches, if there are any left. A friend who is a physician's
> assistant changed her bandage yesterday, and, shortly after he left, I
> discovered that she had
>
> pulled it off and was licking the paw. Got another bandage on and she
> managed to take it and a boot that have had on her when she goes
> outside, off and was again licking the area. A neighbor who is a nurse
> helped me
>
> bandage it again. She couldn't tell if sunstar had done any damage.
> Until yesterday, I had been able to give her bully sticks and other
> things to distract her from trying to get the bandage off. I am
> wondering if her instincts are telling her that it is time to remove the
> stitches and that is what she is attempting to do. Any thoughts?
>
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