[THIN] Re: Novell Integration
- From: "Matt Kosht" <matt.kosht@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:47:46 -0400
That would mean having two passwords and two user id's. The client in question
is sticking with Netware and eDirectory. I don't want the administration of
managing 2 user accounts. The client doesn't want to have to sync 2 accounts
with the same id/password.
They don't authenticate to a domain so this isn't an issue. I use Novell
Client/Zen/DLU to create the user on the Citrix server. I store their roaming
profile on a Netware server (don't need windows domain or rights for that).
The client has 2 applications that require a mapped drive letter to a Windows
server to run. I didn't want to expose the user to have to present Windows
credentials for accessing these shares so I hid them in the Novell login script
with a generic user account and use eDirectory group membership to decide when
it is appropriate to map the drives.
I loaded the PN Agent on each desktop and passthru their Novell credentials
automatically (still having some issues with this). I don't use NAL just the
Users tab in the CMC to determine what groups have what apps.
DirXML or MMS would solve the cheesy hidden "net use" I resorted to, but that
was a small price to pay to eschew MS administration and complexity. I agree
that it would be "sledgehammer to kill a fly" though in my case. For others who
need both because of application/platform choices. It might make sense.
>>> roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx 9/9/2003 1:23:49 PM >>>
MetaDirectory is tooooo much for that. In yoru case (needing Windows and
Netware credentials) you generally would not use the Netware/ZEN integration
fro MetaFrame. Instead you would put the Netware client on the Citrix server
and manage the citrix servers using windows accounts. Citrix even states that
the Netware ZEN support is only for environments WITHOUT domains* Ron
OglesbySenior Technical Architect RapidAppOffice 312.372.7188Mobile
815.325.7618email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Kosht [mailto:matt.kosht@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:37 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Novell Integration I pulled the trigger on Zen/Novell route
myself this past weekend. Still chasing down problems (printing mostly). Zen
on paper looks great in practice very buggy/problematic. Also had some apps
that had to map drive letters to Windows servers that's fun w/o any Windows
credentials.
Microsoft has a product called Metadirectory service that can supposedly sync
the two directories AD and eDirectory.
I am thinking that might be the best option to solve this dilemma.
I am just wishing I could have pulled the plug on Novell altogether and went
pure AD but as John Belushi would say "Buuuttt Nooooo!".
>>> craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx 9/9/2003 12:25:01 AM >>>
BTW, I decided to go the AD/Novell route without the Zenworks piece. It's going
to be a terrible pain, though, over the next few days as everyone has to sync
their Novell password with their new Windows password. That's only 1500
students I get to deal with in a two day span.
What's even better about this setup is almost every app either has some video,
audio or COM port mapping that goes along with it. Woooot!
Quoting craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx:
> How did I know that you were going to respond?
>
> I might take a look at both solutions, then, this weekend. I need to get
> moving on this and I'm afraid that the Windows route is going to be a bit too
>
> burdensome. At this point in time, the school has no plans to move from
> NetWare any time soon. Actually, their servers have been rock solid and have
>
> had no problems since their inception (knock on wood).
>
> I know NetWare enough to do whatever I need in NWAdmin. Outside of that,
> though, I have to rely on others. We do have two guys though, that know
> Novell
> stuff inside and out. So, I'm not too worried about the support.
>
> My biggest concern is not that one of these routes wont work - I know that
> they
> will. My concern is about simplicity. Their "administrator" doesnt know
> much
> in the way of network administration and thankfully she knows as much. What
> I
> want is to be able to leave this project and know that Im not going to get a
>
> call every 4 hours on how to do such and such. By adding in the Windows
> component, I know that things will get a bit more complex than they would
> have
> with the ZENWorks route.
>
> Anyway, thanks for the input. Ill take a look at the DLU/Zenworks deal a bit
>
> more today.
>
> Quoting Ron Oglesby <roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > Craig, Long time no see, or hear.....
> > Anyway, the Netware piece works but is not in use as much as the windows
> > stuff obviously. So when something breaks or doesn't work it is hard to
> > find help (or even good support) on it.
> >
> > If you don't know novell doing this is problematic. I have a real good
> > novel guy on my team so it doesn't scrare me. But if I didn't I would
> > recommend Windows every time.
> >
> > I guess the question is that if you HAVE to implement this and no one
> > else you still have to do what is best for the customer. If they don't
> > want windows use netware just be prepared to LEARN a lot.
> >
> > BTW the roaming profile is assigned as a User attribute just like NT/2K
> > and DLU handles creating the local user and setting up profiles etc....
> >
> > PS> Novell has decided netware is dead. No more development for that
> > network OS. Instead all of their development if for Linux. Why stay with
> > a dead product.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Oglesby
> > Senior Technical Architect
> >
> > RapidApp
> > Office 312.372.7188
> > Mobile 815.325.7618
> > email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Craig M. Luchtefeld [mailto:craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 7:56 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Novell Integration
> >
> > Does anyone have any thoughts about which Novell integration route is
> > better
> > -- the ZENWorks/Dynamic Local User route or the simultaneous Windows
> > 2000
> > domain route with dual accounts?
> >
> > I've got a school I'm working with, approximately 1500 students with the
> > environment holding anywhere from 150-200 concurrent sessions. We're
> > still
> > in the 'testing' phase, so we can still go either route for deployment.
> > My
> > problem with the Windows 2000/Novell route is that they're going to have
> > to
> > create two accounts for every student, we're going to have to sync/reset
> > all
> > their passwords, and they're going to have one more point of failure (if
> > the
> > DC goes down).
> >
> > Honestly, I need to read up a bit more on how the ZENWorks deal works,
> > but
> > if its creating a dynamic local user, my thought is how are roaming
> > profiles
> > going to work?
> >
> > Anyway, has anyone had the opportunity to take a look at both of these
> > pieces and examine the advantages/disadvantages to both? From the
> > Advanced
> > Guide for FR3, I saw the integration steps for them both, but if I
> > remember
> > correctly, it didn't state advantages/disadvantages to either.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Craig
> >
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