[THIN] Re: Novell Integration

I pulled the trigger on Zen/Novell route myself this past weekend. 
Still chasing down problems (printing mostly). Zen on paper looks great
in practice very buggy/problematic. Also had some apps that had to map
drive letters to Windows servers that's fun w/o any Windows
credentials.
 
  Microsoft has a product called Metadirectory service that can
supposedly sync the two directories AD and eDirectory.
I am thinking that might be the best option to solve this dilemma.
 
I am just wishing I could have pulled the plug on Novell altogether and
went pure AD but as John Belushi would say "Buuuttt Nooooo!".

>>> craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx 9/9/2003 12:25:01 AM >>>

BTW, I decided to go the AD/Novell route without the Zenworks piece. 
It's going
to be a terrible pain, though, over the next few days as everyone has
to sync
their Novell password with their new Windows password.  That's only
1500
students I get to deal with in a two day span.

What's even better about this setup is almost every app either has some
video,
audio or COM port mapping that goes along with it.  Woooot!

Quoting craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx: 

> How did I know that you were going to respond?
> 
> I might take a look at both solutions, then, this weekend.  I need to
get 
> moving on this and I'm afraid that the Windows route is going to be a
bit too
> 
> burdensome.  At this point in time, the school has no plans to move
from 
> NetWare any time soon.  Actually, their servers have been rock solid
and have
> 
> had no problems since their inception (knock on wood).
> 
> I know NetWare enough to do whatever I need in NWAdmin.  Outside of
that, 
> though, I have to rely on others.  We do have two guys though, that
know
> Novell 
> stuff inside and out.  So, I'm not too worried about the support.
> 
> My biggest concern is not that one of these routes wont work - I know
that
> they 
> will.  My concern is about simplicity.  Their "administrator" doesnt
know
> much 
> in the way of network administration and thankfully she knows as
much.  What
> I 
> want is to be able to leave this project and know that Im not going
to get a
> 
> call every 4 hours on how to do such and such.  By adding in the
Windows 
> component, I know that things will get a bit more complex than they
would
> have 
> with the ZENWorks route.
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the input.  Ill take a look at the DLU/Zenworks
deal a bit
> 
> more today.
> 
> Quoting Ron Oglesby <roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> 
> > Craig, Long time no see, or hear.....
> > Anyway, the Netware piece works but is not in use as much as the
windows
> > stuff obviously. So when something breaks or doesn't work it is
hard to
> > find help (or even good support) on it.
> > 
> > If you don't know novell doing this is problematic. I have a real
good
> > novel guy on my team so it doesn't scrare me. But if I didn't I
would
> > recommend Windows every time.
> > 
> > I guess the question is that if you HAVE to implement this and no
one
> > else you still have to do what is best for the customer. If they
don't
> > want windows use netware just be prepared to LEARN a lot.
> > 
> > BTW the roaming profile is assigned as a User attribute just like
NT/2K
> > and DLU handles creating the local user and setting up profiles
etc....
> > 
> > PS> Novell has decided netware is dead. No more development for
that
> > network OS. Instead all of their development if for Linux. Why stay
with
> > a dead product.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Ron Oglesby
> > Senior Technical Architect
> >  
> > RapidApp
> > Office 312.372.7188
> > Mobile 815.325.7618
> > email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Craig M. Luchtefeld [mailto:craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 7:56 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > Subject: [THIN] Novell Integration
> > 
> > Does anyone have any thoughts about which Novell integration route
is
> > better
> > -- the ZENWorks/Dynamic Local User route or the simultaneous
Windows
> > 2000
> > domain route with dual accounts?
> > 
> > I've got a school I'm working with, approximately 1500 students
with the
> > environment holding anywhere from 150-200 concurrent sessions. 
We're
> > still
> > in the 'testing' phase, so we can still go either route for
deployment.
> > My
> > problem with the Windows 2000/Novell route is that they're going to
have
> > to
> > create two accounts for every student, we're going to have to
sync/reset
> > all
> > their passwords, and they're going to have one more point of
failure (if
> > the
> > DC goes down).
> > 
> > Honestly, I need to read up a bit more on how the ZENWorks deal
works,
> > but
> > if its creating a dynamic local user, my thought is how are
roaming
> > profiles
> > going to work?
> > 
> > Anyway, has anyone had the opportunity to take a look at both of
these
> > pieces and examine the advantages/disadvantages to both?  From the
> > Advanced
> > Guide for FR3, I saw the integration steps for them both, but if I
> > remember
> > correctly, it didn't state advantages/disadvantages to either.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Craig
> > 
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