Production is ZfD 3.2 with sp1. We have a pilot for Zfd 4.
ZfD has many components to it (DLU, App. mgmt., inventory, etc). Which
component are you having problems with?
--Moby
Stansel, Paul wrote:
Which version of Zen are you running?
-Paul
---------- From: Mobeen Azhar[SMTP:moby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:06 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Novell Integration
We are using Novell eDirectory, ZfD (ZenWorks for Desktops) in a very
large terminal server + Citrix MetaFrame environement without any major issues.
The product works great, and Novell's ZenWorks has been a big help in getting applications, especially ones that have a large and complex user piece,
easily and quickly distributed to Windows NT and 2000 terminal servers. The
terminal servers are divided between some that are in NT domains and some that in
AD. No issues with either side as far as any software from Novell is concerned.
So far we have not implemented any type of password synchronization
between Novell's eDirectory and Microsoft's AD, although my tests in a lab setting
have been successfull in delivering what Novell "says on paper". We do
synchronize credentials between Novell's eDirectory and NT domains using Novell's
Account Management product.
The nice thing we have found with ZfD is that the application effort
expended for our desktops (10,000+) does not have to be repeated for integrating
the same applications on our Citrix/Terminal servers. We can use the same ZfD application object on both desktops and terminal servers with very minor modifications.
--Moby
PS: Regarding the comment "Novell has decided NetWare is dead" by Ron
Oglesby, I am not sure if Ron works for Novell to know that. Either way, I am
sure you are not developing applications on NetWare. Services traditionally
associated with NetWare have been available on non-NetWare platforms for quite some
time. One really uses products such eDirectory, ZenWorks, etc. One really does
not do much with NetWare itself. While people might argue whether NetWare
development is going to continue or not (the vendor, Novell, says it will continue),
these other applications have been ported to non-NetWare operating systems. One
of the coolest things I like about ZfD is that it can be run in a totally non-NetWare environemnt - pure 100% Windows.
Matt Kosht wrote:
I pulled the trigger on Zen/Novell route myself this past weekend. Still chasing down problems (printing mostly). Zen on paper looks great in practice very buggy/problematic. Also had some apps that had to
map drive letters to Windows servers that's fun w/o any Windows
credentials.
Microsoft has a product called Metadirectory service that can supposedly sync the two directories AD and eDirectory.
I am thinking that might be the best option to solve this dilemma.
I am just wishing I could have pulled the plug on Novell altogether and went pure AD but as John Belushi would say "Buuuttt Nooooo!".
>>> craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx 9/9/2003 12:25:01 AM >>>
BTW, I decided to go the AD/Novell route without the Zenworks piece. It's going
to be a terrible pain, though, over the next few days as everyone has to
sync their Novell password with their new Windows password. That's only 1500 students I get to deal with in a two day span.
What's even better about this setup is almost every app either has some video,
audio or COM port mapping that goes along with it. Woooot!
Quoting craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx:
> How did I know that you were going to respond? > > I might take a look at both solutions, then, this weekend. I need to
get > moving on this and I'm afraid that the Windows route is going to be a
bit too > > burdensome. At this point in time, the school has no plans to move
from
> NetWare any time soon. Actually, their servers have been rock solid and have
>
> had no problems since their inception (knock on wood).
>
> I know NetWare enough to do whatever I need in NWAdmin. Outside of that,
> though, I have to rely on others. We do have two guys though, that
know
> Novell > stuff inside and out. So, I'm not too worried about the support. > > My biggest concern is not that one of these routes wont work - I know
that > they > will. My concern is about simplicity. Their "administrator" doesnt
know
> much
> in the way of network administration and thankfully she knows as much. What
> I
> want is to be able to leave this project and know that Im not going to get a
>
> call every 4 hours on how to do such and such. By adding in the
Windows
> component, I know that things will get a bit more complex than they
would
> have
> with the ZENWorks route.
>
> Anyway, thanks for the input. Ill take a look at the DLU/Zenworks deal a bit
>
> more today.
>
> Quoting Ron Oglesby <roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > Craig, Long time no see, or hear.....
> > Anyway, the Netware piece works but is not in use as much as the windows
> > stuff obviously. So when something breaks or doesn't work it is
hard to
> > find help (or even good support) on it. > > > > If you don't know novell doing this is problematic. I have a real
good
> > novel guy on my team so it doesn't scrare me. But if I didn't I
would
> > recommend Windows every time. > > > > I guess the question is that if you HAVE to implement this and no
one
> > else you still have to do what is best for the customer. If they
don't
> > want windows use netware just be prepared to LEARN a lot. > > > > BTW the roaming profile is assigned as a User attribute just like
NT/2K
> > and DLU handles creating the local user and setting up profiles
etc....
> > > > PS> Novell has decided netware is dead. No more development for
that
> > network OS. Instead all of their development if for Linux. Why stay
with
> > a dead product.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Oglesby
> > Senior Technical Architect
> > > > RapidApp
> > Office 312.372.7188
> > Mobile 815.325.7618
> > email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Craig M. Luchtefeld [mailto:craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 7:56 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Novell Integration
> >
> > Does anyone have any thoughts about which Novell integration route
is
> > better > > -- the ZENWorks/Dynamic Local User route or the simultaneous
Windows
> > 2000
> > domain route with dual accounts?
> >
> > I've got a school I'm working with, approximately 1500 students with the
> > environment holding anywhere from 150-200 concurrent sessions.
We're
> > still > > in the 'testing' phase, so we can still go either route for
deployment.
> > My > > problem with the Windows 2000/Novell route is that they're going to
have
> > to
> > create two accounts for every student, we're going to have to sync/reset
> > all
> > their passwords, and they're going to have one more point of failure (if
> > the
> > DC goes down).
> >
> > Honestly, I need to read up a bit more on how the ZENWorks deal
works,
> > but > > if its creating a dynamic local user, my thought is how are roaming > > profiles > > going to work? > > > > Anyway, has anyone had the opportunity to take a look at both of
these
> > pieces and examine the advantages/disadvantages to both? From the > > Advanced > > Guide for FR3, I saw the integration steps for them both, but if I > > remember > > correctly, it didn't state advantages/disadvantages to either. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Craig > > > > ******************************************************** > > This Week's Sponsor: ThinPrint > > http://www.thinprint.com > > ********************************************************** > > Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: > > http://thethin.net/links.cfm > > > > For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or > > set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: > > http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm > > ******************************************************** > > This Week's Sponsor: ThinPrint > > http://www.thinprint.com > > ********************************************************** > > Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: > > http://thethin.net/links.cfm > > > > For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or > > set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: > > http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ >
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First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a
Jew.
Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was
not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I
was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. --
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