[THIN] Re: Novell Integration
- From: "Stansel, Paul" <Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:16:56 -0400
Which version of Zen are you running?
-Paul
> ----------
> From: Mobeen Azhar[SMTP:moby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:06 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Novell Integration
>
> We are using Novell eDirectory, ZfD (ZenWorks for Desktops) in a very
> large
> terminal server + Citrix MetaFrame environement without any major issues.
> The
> product works great, and Novell's ZenWorks has been a big help in getting
> applications, especially ones that have a large and complex user piece,
> easily
> and quickly distributed to Windows NT and 2000 terminal servers. The
> terminal
> servers are divided between some that are in NT domains and some that in
> AD. No
> issues with either side as far as any software from Novell is concerned.
>
> So far we have not implemented any type of password synchronization
> between
> Novell's eDirectory and Microsoft's AD, although my tests in a lab setting
> have
> been successfull in delivering what Novell "says on paper". We do
> synchronize
> credentials between Novell's eDirectory and NT domains using Novell's
> Account
> Management product.
>
> The nice thing we have found with ZfD is that the application effort
> expended
> for our desktops (10,000+) does not have to be repeated for integrating
> the same
> applications on our Citrix/Terminal servers. We can use the same ZfD
> application object on both desktops and terminal servers with very minor
> modifications.
>
> --Moby
>
> PS: Regarding the comment "Novell has decided NetWare is dead" by Ron
> Oglesby,
> I am not sure if Ron works for Novell to know that. Either way, I am
> sure you
> are not developing applications on NetWare. Services traditionally
> associated
> with NetWare have been available on non-NetWare platforms for quite some
> time.
> One really uses products such eDirectory, ZenWorks, etc. One really does
> not do
> much with NetWare itself. While people might argue whether NetWare
> development
> is going to continue or not (the vendor, Novell, says it will continue),
> these
> other applications have been ported to non-NetWare operating systems. One
> of
> the coolest things I like about ZfD is that it can be run in a totally
> non-NetWare environemnt - pure 100% Windows.
>
>
> Matt Kosht wrote:
> > I pulled the trigger on Zen/Novell route myself this past weekend.
> > Still chasing down problems (printing mostly). Zen on paper looks
> > great in practice very buggy/problematic. Also had some apps that had to
>
> > map drive letters to Windows servers that's fun w/o any Windows
> credentials.
> >
> > Microsoft has a product called Metadirectory service that can
> > supposedly sync the two directories AD and eDirectory.
> > I am thinking that might be the best option to solve this dilemma.
> >
> > I am just wishing I could have pulled the plug on Novell altogether and
> > went pure AD but as John Belushi would say "Buuuttt Nooooo!".
> >
> > >>> craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx 9/9/2003 12:25:01 AM >>>
> > BTW, I decided to go the AD/Novell route without the Zenworks piece.
> > It's going
> > to be a terrible pain, though, over the next few days as everyone has to
>
> > sync
> > their Novell password with their new Windows password. That's only 1500
> > students I get to deal with in a two day span.
> >
> > What's even better about this setup is almost every app either has some
> > video,
> > audio or COM port mapping that goes along with it. Woooot!
> >
> > Quoting craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx:
> >
> > > How did I know that you were going to respond?
> > >
> > > I might take a look at both solutions, then, this weekend. I need to
>
> > get
> > > moving on this and I'm afraid that the Windows route is going to be a
>
> > bit too
> > >
> > > burdensome. At this point in time, the school has no plans to move
> from
> > > NetWare any time soon. Actually, their servers have been rock solid
> > and have
> > >
> > > had no problems since their inception (knock on wood).
> > >
> > > I know NetWare enough to do whatever I need in NWAdmin. Outside of
> > that,
> > > though, I have to rely on others. We do have two guys though, that
> know
> > > Novell
> > > stuff inside and out. So, I'm not too worried about the support.
> > >
> > > My biggest concern is not that one of these routes wont work - I know
>
> > that
> > > they
> > > will. My concern is about simplicity. Their "administrator" doesnt
> know
> > > much
> > > in the way of network administration and thankfully she knows as
> > much. What
> > > I
> > > want is to be able to leave this project and know that Im not going
> > to get a
> > >
> > > call every 4 hours on how to do such and such. By adding in the
> Windows
> > > component, I know that things will get a bit more complex than they
> would
> > > have
> > > with the ZENWorks route.
> > >
> > > Anyway, thanks for the input. Ill take a look at the DLU/Zenworks
> > deal a bit
> > >
> > > more today.
> > >
> > > Quoting Ron Oglesby <roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > >
> > > > Craig, Long time no see, or hear.....
> > > > Anyway, the Netware piece works but is not in use as much as the
> > windows
> > > > stuff obviously. So when something breaks or doesn't work it is
> hard to
> > > > find help (or even good support) on it.
> > > >
> > > > If you don't know novell doing this is problematic. I have a real
> good
> > > > novel guy on my team so it doesn't scrare me. But if I didn't I
> would
> > > > recommend Windows every time.
> > > >
> > > > I guess the question is that if you HAVE to implement this and no
> one
> > > > else you still have to do what is best for the customer. If they
> don't
> > > > want windows use netware just be prepared to LEARN a lot.
> > > >
> > > > BTW the roaming profile is assigned as a User attribute just like
> NT/2K
> > > > and DLU handles creating the local user and setting up profiles
> etc....
> > > >
> > > > PS> Novell has decided netware is dead. No more development for
> that
> > > > network OS. Instead all of their development if for Linux. Why stay
>
> > with
> > > > a dead product.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ron Oglesby
> > > > Senior Technical Architect
> > > >
> > > > RapidApp
> > > > Office 312.372.7188
> > > > Mobile 815.325.7618
> > > > email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Craig M. Luchtefeld [mailto:craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 7:56 AM
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Novell Integration
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have any thoughts about which Novell integration route
> is
> > > > better
> > > > -- the ZENWorks/Dynamic Local User route or the simultaneous
> Windows
> > > > 2000
> > > > domain route with dual accounts?
> > > >
> > > > I've got a school I'm working with, approximately 1500 students
> > with the
> > > > environment holding anywhere from 150-200 concurrent sessions.
> We're
> > > > still
> > > > in the 'testing' phase, so we can still go either route for
> deployment.
> > > > My
> > > > problem with the Windows 2000/Novell route is that they're going to
>
> > have
> > > > to
> > > > create two accounts for every student, we're going to have to
> > sync/reset
> > > > all
> > > > their passwords, and they're going to have one more point of
> > failure (if
> > > > the
> > > > DC goes down).
> > > >
> > > > Honestly, I need to read up a bit more on how the ZENWorks deal
> works,
> > > > but
> > > > if its creating a dynamic local user, my thought is how are roaming
> > > > profiles
> > > > going to work?
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, has anyone had the opportunity to take a look at both of
> these
> > > > pieces and examine the advantages/disadvantages to both? From the
> > > > Advanced
> > > > Guide for FR3, I saw the integration steps for them both, but if I
> > > > remember
> > > > correctly, it didn't state advantages/disadvantages to either.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > >
> > > > Craig
> > > >
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