Well the long and short is that most clients really DON'T need it even though they think they do. Most people assume metadirectory will solve all woes and it wont. If they TRULY use then it is smooth. Single point for adding users and provisioning etc. The problem is that everything has to be tied to it. You use it to Push to AD, or anything else that requires the users. Synchs in multiple directions are terrible. Using a single authoritative source then pushing from that to your domain is great. Of course using this authoritative source for authentication within apps and what not is even better. But since most apps aren't happy without their own authentication you wind up synching/pushing to AD and novell and a ton of other systems. The MS product isn't bad (I mean they bought it from someone else anyway) and the Sun product is even better as a pure directory. I don't do a whole lot with either of them mostly I work on the windows and network side of those projects, but I am in enough design meeting for them to answer most questions. Anything specific? Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 815.325.7618 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Braebaum, Neil [mailto:Neil.Braebaum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:45 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Novell Integration Just out of interest, Ron, and noting it's a little OT for this list, have you any general views of MetaDirectory (sort of anything overall / general really)? Cheers Neil -----Original Message----- From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 09 September 2003 18:24 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Novell Integration MetaDirectory is tooooo much for that. In yoru case (needing Windows and Netware credentials) you generally would not use the Netware/ZEN integration fro MetaFrame. Instead you would put the Netware client on the Citrix server and manage the citrix servers using windows accounts. Citrix even states that the Netware ZEN support is only for environments WITHOUT domains... Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect *********************************************** This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are intended for the above named recipient only. If this has come to you in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. You must take no action based on this, nor must you copy or disclose it or any part of its contents to any person or organisation. Statements and opinions contained in this email may not necessarily represent those of Littlewoods. Please note that e-mail communications may be monitored. The registered office of Littlewoods Limited and its subsidiaries is 100 Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L70 1AB. Registered number of Littlewoods Limited is 262152. ************************************************