I think it all depends... SBC in the end is all about saving *money* (TCO or whatever you like). If you want to do it right, then do it like it's meant to be done. Deploy applications server based and buy DUMB terminals. Don't do both, you'll be spending twice the money! I've been on a crusade the last few years to get customers to think about what they really want and find a reseller who can provide that. So in terms of Thin Clients: press a BIG button to power on, enter that ol' password and you should be done. This will do for usually 70% of your users. Then there's users that NEED to have scanners, smart card readers etc. Buy full featured ones for that (NOT meaning a trimmed down version of Windows). This should work if your users aren't to picky about performance (If jpg's start appearing in 12 segments over 2 seconds then most users start nagging). Kill of those little pesky apps that that one users absolutely needs. Do not go down the road less travelled (streaming video etc.). There's a good reason why people don't go there ;-) Finally , have management buy-in! If they want you to save money, tell that pesky user to go complain to the CFO! This is of course and endless discussion.... but I just wanted to say that I think can save you money IF you do it right (and for the right reasons) Brian (Madden) wrote an article on it I really enjoyed. Be sure to read the comments too : http://www.brianmadden.com/content/content.asp?id=464 Regards, Michel Roth www.thincomputing.net <http://www.thincomputing.net> 2005/10/31, Nick Smith <nick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > > I thought we established last week that Neil lives in the North of > england. That they've progressed past water-mills and cotton factories is > impressive enough.:) > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Jim Kenzig http://Kenzig.com <http://kenzig.com/> [mailto: > jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx] > *Sent:* 31 October 2005 15:26 > *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* [THIN] Re: Hybrid question? > > And are there still dinosaurs and cavemen where you work Neil? ; ) > > *"Braebaum, Neil" <Neil.Braebaum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>* wrote: > > Well the 10 year thing may not be so ridiculous. > > All the Winterms I deployed in the field, dating back to 98, are the > original items (a small number may have been replaced - like-for-like by > engineers but all are the same model). > > Up until very recently, I had some of the original server hardware in use. > The main reason for decommissioning some of it (and I'm talking about 200 > Mhz Pentium Pro server hardware) is simply management costs, and datacentre > real estate. > > But the hardware still works and supports very similar loads to the > original implementation. It's only when you increase OS or application > demands that things become obsolete. But the investment my company made in > the initial end user hardware has not needed replacement. Nor will it likely > do, before the implementation is removed. And that won't be far off 10 > years. > >