[THIN] Re: Hybrid question?
- From: "Braebaum, Neil" <Neil.Braebaum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:00:52 -0000
Well the 10 year thing may not be so ridiculous.
All the Winterms I deployed in the field, dating back to 98, are the original
items (a small number may have been replaced - like-for-like by engineers but
all are the same model).
Up until very recently, I had some of the original server hardware in use. The
main reason for decommissioning some of it (and I'm talking about 200 Mhz
Pentium Pro server hardware) is simply management costs, and datacentre real
estate.
But the hardware still works and supports very similar loads to the original
implementation. It's only when you increase OS or application demands that
things become obsolete. But the investment my company made in the initial end
user hardware has not needed replacement. Nor will it likely do, before the
implementation is removed. And that won't be far off 10 years.
Now I'm not saying that every implementation will be like that, or that it's
representative - but you can certainly see very long implementations on both
the hardware and software, assuming that the environment requirements are
reasonably static.
Neil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig
> http://Kenzig.com
> Sent: 28 October 2005 17:46
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Hybrid question?
>
> "it would pay for itself after 3 years and save us more than
> $175,000 over the next 10 years"
>
> Are you serious?? Where would the savings be? In 10 years
> none of your servers OR the wyse winterminals will be
> working. Not to mention the fact that they will be so
> outdated they won't run any of the current software that is
> being delivered at the time. You should set your self up on
> a 3-5 year amortization plan for servers and at least a 5
> year on workstations.
> JK
>
> Keith Sirmons <KSirmons@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Ok.. I forgot that MS load balance isn't great.
>
> We want to pull the app from the current desktops and
> put it on Citrix so it can easily be used from not only here,
> but from around the world via web page.
>
> This number may make the corporate world sick, but the
> licenses are just under $250 each for Citrix for us and that
> is still out of budget.
>
> We figure if this app were the only thing the servers
> were doing, 1 server would handle the entire load. I want 2
> so I have an N+1 config.
>
> If we get to move toward thin clients, then I would
> keep buying servers and always keep the N+1 config going.
>
> My goal was to have all Wyse thin clients managed by
> Rapport. Our custom app, GroupWise, and MS Office all
> deployed via Citrix. I figured it would pay for itself after
> 3 years and save us more than $175,000 over the next 10 years.
>
> I'm trying to find a middle road to go down to get to
> my final goal with out laying $38K cash down on day 1.
>
> Goal 1 is to move the app to Citrix and off the fat
> clients. Another reason for looking at Citrix was so I could
> move all servers to a VLAN to segregate it from all of the
> other traffic and use Citrix as a "Application Gateway" (I
> think that is the correct term)
>
> Goal 2 is get 80%-90% all machines moved to thin over
> the next 3 years.
>
> Sorry if I have rambled.
>
> Keith
>
>
> Keith Sirmons
> Microcomputer/LAN Administrator
> College of Veterinary Medicine
>
>
> >>> Claudio.Rodrigues@xxxxxxxxxx 10/28/2005 10:01 AM >>>
>
> And why not use other options than Citrix?
> If all he needs is to publish a single application,
> Citrix may be way
> overkill for that.
> For 'published desktops' there is not much difference
> between Citrix and
> plain TS.
> He does not mention how many servers he will have but
> given the amount of
> users, should not be many so you can load balance RDP
> with other products as
> well.
> Just my $0.02 here.
>
> Cláudio Rodrigues
>
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Server - Terminal Services
> http://www.2x.com. <http://www.2x.com./>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Russell Robertson
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 10:30 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Hybrid question?
>
>
> Why not use Citrix to do both?
>
> Publish the desktop via Citrix and run the custom app
> within the desktop or
> not, the choice is yours. There is academic pricing too
> if you are a
> college.
>
> You don't have to invest in new clients, you can use
> any old desktop as a
> thin client.
>
> Cheers
>
> Russell
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> ________________________________
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Keith Sirmons
> Sent: 28 October 2005 15:23
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Hybrid question?
>
>
>
> Thin Gurus,
>
>
>
> We want to move an application from being installed on
> all client machines
> to a Citrix server. This really is not a problem.
>
>
>
> Since we were looking to invest into Citrix, I decided
> it would be a good
> idea to move toward using thin clients from Wyse.
>
>
>
> Well, it looks like the high initial cost of Citrix is
> keeping us from
> converting to the Holy Grail of thin computing.
>
>
>
> Here is the question.......
>
>
>
> Is there a way we can use Citrix to deploy our custom
> application to the
> entire organization and use Microsoft Terminal services
> to deploy desktops
> to thin clients at the same time on the same set of servers?
>
>
>
> We know at any given time there are at most 60 users
> using the app that
> would be on Citrix. When I was gathering prices, I had
> my Citrix licenses
> neede d at 250 to be able to handle not only this app
> but also MS office and
> GroupWise.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on this hybrid option would be very helpful.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Keith Sirmons
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