[TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.

From: "Wayne Vanaman" <Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:52:39 -0500
What it takes to change NESDA is some of us troublemakers willing to stick
it out.

NESDA is made up of some of the "common people", the trouble is too many are
not willing to speak up.  Me, I choose my fights over there.  I have made a
few people upset, and a few things have changed.  Not enough.

However I have neither the time nor the financial resources to do more than
sit on the sidelines.

Wayne Vanaman
Omega Electronics
6904 W Fairfield Dr
Pensacola, Fl.  32506-3310

Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
WWW.PensacolaTVRepair.Com

850-456-5995 voice
850-458-6369 fax


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:10 AM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.


> Al,
>
> You see, that's the problem. The "big shots" are the public face of NESDA.
> If they make it difficult to participate or change the organization for
the
> better, people get turned off very quickly.
>
> Our local chamber SEEKS OUT new ideas and opinions. If the consensus is
that
> something needs changing, then IT GETS CHANGED.
> No angry denunciations and inuendo-just PROGRESS and a spirit of a common
> goal.
>
> NESDA needs to be more like the chamber of commerce and become more
> accessable to be effective.
>
> Just one man's "opinion".
>
> Jim McVey
> McVey Alltronix
> 327 Broadway
> Newburgh Ny 12550
> ph: 845 561 8383
> fx: 845 561 9017
> Consumer electronics &
> computer service.
> Factory authorized for
> over twenty brands.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Al L" <alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:04 PM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>
>
> > Jim,
> >   You fit better than you think.I and a few others are considered NESDA
> > troublemakers,screw em. I get help on business tips,tech tips,meet nice
> > guys,and joined the New York group.I can share ideas since we aren't
next
> > door.
> >    I get on Toshiba,RCA,and Hitachi websites through NESDA,get free
> > manuals,am not an asc.Most importantly, I went to the convention,met
> > privately with a lot of small guys,and discovered I am pretty
typical.Its
> > nice to have people to consult with.
> >     Don't take the NESDA "big shots" seriously,and things are fine.I
> > frequently openly oppose them and got on sever al parts websites(they
> fought
> > me) recently,and convinced them to provide help on the tech tips.They do
> > listen, sometimes reluctantly.
> >    Then there is the training on various manufacturers,last week
Toshiba,
> > next month JVC.I am going to the Va. convention for training and
> > partying,and Nashville later this summer. I get good value for my money.
> al
> >
> > Al Leatherman
> > 224 RT. 46
> > Mine Hill, NJ 07803
> > 973-361-5796
> > WWW.ALS-TV.NET
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:18 PM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
> >
> >
> > > Al,
> > > What happens when the guy next door joins as well?
> > > I don't know if it's really possible to attract individual customers
in
> > this
> > > business.
> > > They need you when they need you, otherwise the servicer is a
> non-entity.
> > > The usual retail type techniques are too inefficient for us since we
> > cannot
> > > generate "impulse buy" interest.
> > >
> > > As you say, it IS every man for himself! You are a wise man not to
share
> > > your promotional ideas with a competitor, it can only come back to
bite
> > you.
> > > However, what does NESDA do other than collect dues and throw a party?
> > > All their "programs" can be found elsewhere as well.
> > >
> > > If you enjoy the convention and veteran member cliques, then I suppose
> > it's
> > > worth it for you. I was more interested in improving the lot of the
> > service
> > > business in the US (and Canada). I didn't fit in.
> > > Hey, it's all about choices! To each his own...
> > >
> > > Jim McVey
> > > McVey Alltronix
> > > 327 Broadway
> > > Newburgh Ny 12550
> > > ph: 845 561 8383
> > > fx: 845 561 9017
> > > Consumer electronics &
> > > computer service.
> > > Factory authorized for
> > > over twenty brands.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Al L" <alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:17 PM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
> > >
> > >
> > > > 38 years here talking: We don't have the union mentality because
when
> > the
> > > > chips are down, its always every man for himself,always has been.No
> > matter
> > > > what people say,its like that. I help whenever I can, have been
burned
> > > often
> > > > by local guys.NESDA is helpful because we are not competing
> > locally,hence
> > > > can be helpful and friendly.
> > > >     Would you really tell the guy next door how to attract more
> > customers?
> > > > al
> > > >
> > > > Al Leatherman
> > > > 224 RT. 46
> > > > Mine Hill, NJ 07803
> > > > 973-361-5796
> > > > WWW.ALS-TV.NET
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:24 PM
> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > True enough, but the manufacturers have a GREAT DEAL of influence
> > since
> > > > > NESDA owes it's very existence to them.
> > > > > It's a "service dealers" association in name only. That's why
there
> is
> > > no
> > > > > "union-like" rhetoric found there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim McVey
> > > > > McVey Alltronix
> > > > > 327 Broadway
> > > > > Newburgh Ny 12550
> > > > > ph: 845 561 8383
> > > > > fx: 845 561 9017
> > > > > Consumer electronics &
> > > > > computer service.
> > > > > Factory authorized for
> > > > > over twenty brands.
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: <greentron@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Cc: "Tel-Tek" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:31 PM
> > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway
Plasma
> > > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I dont think there is anything left BUT small independent
> servicers!
> > > The
> > > > > big guys, not supported by some other big guy, like Sears, and
> having
> > > > > captive customers, have pretty much all gone belly up. Just as you
> > cant
> > > > > squeeze blood out of a stone, you cant squeeze enough money out of
> > > > repairing
> > > > > consumer electronics to support an organization. I am not aware of
> ANY
> > > big
> > > > > service organizations being a member of Nesda. With a total less
> than
> > a
> > > > > thousand members, it would be like the tail trying to wag the dog.
> > > > > > J Silverman
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's why I said Nesda?
> > > > > > > I shouldn't knock them...but I don't think they have the Small
> > > > > Independent
> > > > > > > Servicer on their mind. I don't belong..so I will keep my
mouth
> > > > > (keyboard)
> > > > > > > shut.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Ed-
> > > > > > > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > > > > > Ontario-Canada
> > > > > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > > From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:02 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway
> > Plasma
> > > > > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > NESDA look into something? ??????
> > > > > > > > NESDA is more "over the hill" than you are! LOL
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jim McVey
> > > > > > > > McVey Alltronix
> > > > > > > > 327 Broadway
> > > > > > > > Newburgh Ny 12550
> > > > > > > > ph: 845 561 8383
> > > > > > > > fx: 845 561 9017
> > > > > > > > Consumer electronics &
> > > > > > > > computer service.
> > > > > > > > Factory authorized for
> > > > > > > > over twenty brands.
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > > > From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:50 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re:
Gateway
> > > Plasma
> > > > > > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Other manufacturers are doing about the same thing, lots
of
> > new
> > > > > products
> > > > > > > > > are exchange only, no parts available, no service manuals
> > > > available
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > once the product is out of warranty the price to exchange
it
> > is
> > > > more
> > > > > > > > > than a new replacement unit. I'm sure there are laws
against
> > > some
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > > this, unfair trade practices, price fixing, etc. but I'm
too
> > far
> > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > the hill to really give a damn. Maybe some organization
like
> > > NESDA
> > > > > > > > > should be looking into it. Maybe they are, does anyone
know?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
****************************************************************************
> > > > > > > > ***************************************
> > > > > > > > > Since 1972
> > > > > > > > > Jim Myers
> > > > > > > > > Telrad Electronics
> > > > > > > > > Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ed Gaidies wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Whole new Rip-Off.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -Ed-
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > > > > > > > > Ontario-Canada
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:08 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re:
> > Gateway
> > > > > Plasma
> > > > > > > > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>Is that all? Only a grand? I figured it would be more
when
> > > they
> > > > > wanted
> > > > > > > > > >>$300 just to reload windows. (you need their "secret
code"
> > to
> > > > > unlock
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >>cmos and it must be so classified that they can't tell
you
> > > over
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >>phone, by email, or snail-mail)
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>Doug Keller
> > > > > > > > > >>Wis-Kel Electronics
> > > > > > > > > >>101 Freeland Ave.
> > > > > > > > > >>Terra Alta, WV
> > > > > > > > > >>USA        26764
> > > > > > > > > >>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > >>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > >>http://www.tech-assist.org
> > > > > > > > > >>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you
> > > > > > > > > >>won't live long enough to make them all yourself"
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>Jim Myers wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>>Gateway refuses to sell parts even with pressure from
the
> > > > > customer.
> > > > > > > > > >>>Return set to customer, Gateway will send someone to
fix
> it
> > > for
> > > > a
> > > > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > >>>$1000.00.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>>**************************************************************************
> > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ****************************************
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>>Since 1972
> > > > > > > > > >>>Jim Myers
> > > > > > > > > >>>Telrad Electronics
> > > > > > > > > >>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>Jim Myers wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>The voltage goes to zero with the sensor removed.
There
> is
> > > no
> > > > > pullup
> > > > > > > > > >>>>resistor so I'm pretty sure the IC is the problem.
I'll
> > try
> > > > > Zenith
> > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > >>>>week, maybe the have a similar model.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>>>*************************************************************************
> > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > *****************************************
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>>>Since 1972
> > > > > > > > > >>>>Jim Myers
> > > > > > > > > >>>>Telrad Electronics
> > > > > > > > > >>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>greentron@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>Do you measure a low resistance to ground on the
sensor
> > > > output
> > > > > > > lead?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>Does the voltage on that lead go up to 5 (or maybe 3)
> > volts
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>sensor removed? Is there a pull-up resistor?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>J Silverman
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Tried a different IR sensor, no help, still just
three
> > > > tenths
> > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>volt on the output pin and ity-bitty pulses from the
> > > remote.
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > traced
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>the IR path to IC U4 which is an 80 pin surface
mount
> > > square
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>flatpack, goes to pin 80. Number on U4 is 6413079F18
> and
> > > it
> > > > is
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>board with 2 15 pin VGA, 1 9 pin serial and a flat
> panel
> > > > > monitor
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>connector. Any information on where to get the ic or
> the
> > > > > board?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>>>>>***********************************************************************
> > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ********
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>***********************************
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Since 1972
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Jim Myers
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Telrad Electronics
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Scott Beebe wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Hello Jim,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>If you take out the IR sensor, then that would rule
> out
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>receiver. But it
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>sounds like a micro problem to me.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Thanx,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Scott Beebe
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Ohm Electronics Inc.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>609 W. Clinton St.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Ithaca NY 14850
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Voice: (607) 273-8406
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Fax: (607) 273-8743
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>WWW.OhmElectronicsInc.com
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>mailto:Scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Wednesday, March 31, 2004, 3:57:48 PM, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Are technical questions still allowed?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> This Gateway GTW-P42M102 has a sticker on the
> > inside
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > says
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>it is a
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> LG model PDP42WVSN3. The owner says a worker
at
> > the
> > > > > office
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>caused a
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> static spark when she reached for the buttons
on
> > the
> > > > > front,
> > > > > > > > now
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>it has
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> the menu displayed over the picture all the
time
> > > with
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>cursor bar
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> scrolling up over and over. Also the remote no
> > > longer
> > > > > works.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>The wire
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> from the remote receiver at the connector has
> > three
> > > > > tenths
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>volt and
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> very low amplitude pulses when the remote is
> > > > activated.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > > end
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>wire on
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> this 6 pin connector has 5 volts. Sounds like
> the
> > > > micro
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > IR
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> receiver got zapped but if anyone has service
> > manual
> > > > or
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>information on
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> this a little help would be nice.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>>>>>***********************************************************************
> > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ********
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>***********************************
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Since 1972
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Jim Myers
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Telrad Electronics
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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> >
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> > > > > > > > > >>>>>http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Login
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> > > > > > > > > >>>>>Email Archives:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>//www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
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> > > > > > > > > >>>Lost Password:
> > > > > > > > > >>>http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Login
Problems?".
> > > > > > > > > >>>Email Archives:
> > > > > > > > > >>>//www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
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> > > > > > > > > >>Lost Password:
> > > > > > > > > >>http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Login
Problems?".
> > > > > > > > > >>Email Archives:
> > > > > > > > > >>//www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
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> > > > > > > > > > Lost Password:
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Login
Problems?".
> > > > > > > > > > Email Archives:
> > > > > > > > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
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> > > > > > > > > Lost Password:
> > > > > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Login Problems?".
> > > > > > > > > Email Archives:
> > > > > > > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
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> > > > > > > > Lost Password:
> > > > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Login Problems?".
> > > > > > > > Email Archives:
> > > > > > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
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> > > > > > > Lost Password:
> > > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Login Problems?".
> > > > > > > Email Archives:
> > > > > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
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> > > > > ---
> > > > > > Lost Password:
> > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Login Problems?".
> > > > > > Email Archives:
> > > > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
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> > > > ---
> > > > > Lost Password:
> > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Login Problems?".
> > > > > Email Archives:
> > > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
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> > > ---
> > > > Lost Password:
> > > > http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Login Problems?".
> > > > Email Archives:
> > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
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> > ---
> > > Lost Password:
> > > http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Login Problems?".
> > > Email Archives:
> > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> > Lost Password:
> > http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Login Problems?".
> > Email Archives:
> > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
> >
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Lost Password:
> http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Login Problems?".
> Email Archives:
> //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
>


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