[TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.

From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:06:30 -0600
Jerry,
I've heard this song and dance SO many times, it's starting to sound like a
broken record.
Here is my response:


>Isolationism might have worked 200 years ago but today we supply many
>products to the countries that are supplying the items in question. So they
>can just retaliate by putting high tarriffs on the products they import
from
>us. We sell them large amounts of grain, meat, wood, machinery,
instruments,
>aircraft, weapons, military equipment, special metals, etc.

What makes you think they will put high tarriffs on grain, and wheat ?
They might just be afraid to starve their people. Starving people, can
create uprising, and revolutions. Most countries don't want that to happen.
When it comes to eating,...you can't eat a TV, so you can't really compare
them to food items.
We shouldn't be importing wood out of this country. There is a saw mill that
invested a lot of $$$ in equipment, just a few miles from my shop. The US
government won't even let them cut thw worm infested trees from the close by
mountain range. In otherwords, our own government won't even let us use our
own wood,...so, how can they get away with importing it to other countries ?

We supported Iraq during their conflict with Iran,...by helping them with
military equipment and supplies. That's how Bush knew they had WMD, even
though none was found as of yet,..and look what that has gotten us into. I
guess you would approve of selling Aircraft, and weapons to China , also,.
just to keep them on a so called "Freindly bassis" ?

>The products that we buy from them stabilize their economies and prevents
>wars and revolutions that we eventually get dragged into. Hitler got into
>power in Germany only because he promised to get them out of the long
severe
>depression that they were having. We have just finished giving away the
>textile industry to countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh to stabilize
them
>and those guys are sweating that China might take it away from them.

If we have stabilized these countries so good,...then why are we always
being drawen into the wars, conflicts, and revolutions that arn't suppose to
exist ,...but, they do ?

>Gasoline is still cheap at twice the price, which is why so much of it is
>just wasted. Cars are too expensive. Just ask the dealers. But it isnt the
>price. Its the monthly payment that is important, and many tricks have been
>used to keep the monthly payments at a level that keeps them selling. I
>often wonder what trick will be used the next time car sales fall off.
>Entertainment electronics just doesnt seem to carry a priority worth
>destabilizing the world over.

So when gasoline gets to $4 a gallon,...you will still think it is cheap ?
Come on, Jerry,....give me a break. The price of a new car is NOT important,
just the monthly payment ? Your talking as though you could care less about
the price of ANYTHING. I'm not just talking consumer electronics,...I'm
talking about all the cheap crap from China, that Walmart is selling in
order to stenghten their grip on their controlling efforts to become the
largest, and someday, the ONLY retailer left in business.

Now come on, Jerry,...don't keep up the discussion just to impress Ed, up in
Canada.
He never watches anything except CNN news anyway.
;-)

LLW

>Jerry Silverman
>Greentron Inc
>4 Newland Ave
>Greenville SC 29609
>864 232 3889
>Fax 271 2080
>mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 2:26 AM
>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>
>
>> Thanks for responding to my comments, Jerry.
>> I kinda figured nobody would take my post very seriously.
>> The fact is,...people will still buy the products, no matter how much
they
>> cost. Why ? Cause the American people are so spoiled, that they will not
>go
>> without the things they have become acustomed to enjoying, by plunging
>> themselves so far in dept with their credit cards, that MOST will never
>> recover.
>>
>> They have shown that they will pay the price on just about anything if
>they
>> are given no choice. Just look at the price of gas, and the cost of
buying
>a
>> new car. They continue to pay higher prices,....and nobody is even
>> complaining about it.
>>
>> All I want them (The government) to do, is slap a high import fee on TVs,
>> and DVDs, and stereos, etc,, that are being dumped on the US market from
>> Mexico, and over seas. I know that's a move that involves the US
>government,
>> and the manufacturers, and service associations have little, or no contol
>> over it. But,...how long do you think TCE, and Philips will remain in
>China,
>> when they find out that people in the US are not allowing themselves to
be
>> the dumpimg ground for all the JUNK that they are causing to flow from
>there
>> ?
>>
>> If someone SOMEWHERE does not do what needs to be done,....this country
is
>> going to be LOST (In more ways then one). We need to get rid of NAFTA,
>slap
>> high import fees on units manufaturered over seas, and FORCE the
>electronic
>> manufacturers to build plants here in this country, to create more jobs
>for
>> the people. This way, more $$$ will be spent here in the US, the tax base
>> will increase,and people who really want to turn things around for the
>> better, will be able to do it, and the American consumer will be more
able
>> to pay the higer prices that are going to be needed.  Until then,...we
are
>> just plain DOOMED,....and in this regard,...I tend to agree with you.
>>
>> LLW
>>
>> LeRoy Westlund
>> Westlund TV & Electronics
>> 97 North Main                                "Where there's a will,...
>> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087           There's always a way."
>> Ph./Fax  435-528-3822
>> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J Silverman <greentron@xxxxxxx>
>> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Saturday, April 17, 2004 1:19 PM
>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>>
>>
>> >You just dont seem to get the point! The manufacturers have layed the
>> golden
>> >eggs (service opportunities) of the past. They dont owe you anything.
You
>> >have chosen to take advantage of this situation rather than doing
>something
>> >else for a living. But the money just isnt there and there isnt anything
>> >that you or I or any organization can do about it. They know that you
>cant
>> >survive on this pittance and they dont expect you to be around forever
so
>> >they are taking steps to handle future service in an entirely different
>way
>> >that doesnt require technicians and service centers. Big companies like
>UPS
>> >and IBM are already involved in exclusive national service on many
>> products,
>> >and new products coming on to the market have been designed to take
>> >advantage of that method of service. So you wont be seeing the new stuff
>> and
>> >if you do, there wont be any parts or manuals. If you have an idea about
>> how
>> >to turn this situation back to our advantage, that wont kill the
>> >manufacturers or make the products so expensive that people wont buy
>them,
>> >lets hear it!
>> >Jerry Silverman
>> >Greentron Inc
>> >4 Newland Ave
>> >Greenville SC 29609
>> >864 232 3889
>> >Fax 271 2080
>> >mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 1:54 AM
>> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Jim,
>> >> Maybe you should have stayed with them, and offered your services to
>run
>> >for
>> >> President of that Organiztion.
>> >> There have been a LOT of good people coming, and going from that
>> >particular
>> >> Organization, ( I could name a few,...but,..they know who they
>> >> are ).....but,...NONE of them have had the guts, to get mixed up with
>> them
>> >> to the point of making major changes, and offering to take the bull by
>> the
>> >> horn.
>> >>
>> >> I would have stayed with them, after the ONE year of free
>> >> membership,....but,...I could not keep up with the financial burden
>that
>> >it
>> >> placed on me. It's the same problem as you run into, if you were to
run
>> >for
>> >> pesident of the U.S.,..the POOR guy has NO chance,...ONLY the most
>> >> successful members have the time, and the finances to be involved with
>> all
>> >> there conventions, meetings, etc.,...and these are the people that
>always
>> >> need the least amount of help.
>> >>
>> >> The top brass of Nesda are there for their own benifit, and social
>> >> positions, and they only use the rest of us to help pay the dues, and
>the
>> >> bills, that keep them in power. I'm not sure this is the best place
>> >>  TechAssist ), to be discussing the operations of other peoples
>> >> associations. Maybe we need to start our OWN Associasion, and not be
so
>> >> friendly towards the Manufacturers. How about it ? Anybody out there
>who
>> >> wants to be in the top brass positions of a NEW organization ? You
guys
>> >help
>> >> compose the messages that you want to get through to the
>> >> manufacturers,....and I'll send them for you. Just provide the e-mail
>> >> addresses for me. Let's get some of you ASC guys involved, and
threaten
>> >the
>> >> manufacturers to stop doing warranty work for them, until they get in
>> >line,
>> >> and clean up there act.
>> >>
>> >> There are also, a lot of members on this list who have never been
>> involved
>> >> with Nesda, that MIGHT could help us form a NEW Association, that
could
>> >> better serve us remaining independents by approacing things from a
>> >different
>> >> direction, and with a MORE stern attitude.
>> >> .
>> >> Just a thought,
>> >> LLW
>> >>
>> >> LeRoy Westlund
>> >> Westlund TV & Electronics
>> >> 97 North Main                                "Where there's a will,...
>> >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087           There's always a way."
>> >> Ph./Fax  435-528-3822
>> >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: becyn <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2004 5:35 PM
>> >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Doug,
>> >> >I wouldn't stand one one foot waiting for the manufacturers to
>increase
>> >> >quality and prices.
>> >> >People want "cheap products". Why do you think Wal-mart is so
>> successful?
>> >> We
>> >> >as businessmen have to accept this as our new environment to which we
>> >must
>> >> >adapt or perish.
>> >> >
>> >> >I always thought that NESDA could have done alot more for the service
>> >> >industry by working on issues like;
>> >> >Standardization of warranty proceedures and electronic entry formats.
>> >> >
>> >> >Standardization of manual distribution format.
>> >> >
>> >> >Product serviceability (such as all projos should have a rermoveable
>> >light
>> >> >box, etc).
>> >> >
>> >> >Work with the membership to develop a useful universal, comprehensive
>> >> >call/claim management system for automating the industry.
>> >> >
>> >> >Lobby for better rates or better methods of repairing inexpensive
>items.
>> >(
>> >> >such as not requiring component level repair)
>> >> >
>> >> >Well, you get the idea...I could go on...
>> >> >
>> >> >Jim McVey
>> >> >McVey Alltronix
>> >> >327 Broadway
>> >> >Newburgh Ny 12550
>> >> >ph: 845 561 8383
>> >> >fx: 845 561 9017
>> >> >Consumer electronics &
>> >> >computer service.
>> >> >Factory authorized for
>> >> >over twenty brands.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:24 PM
>> >> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Al has that right. Basically, we either all stand together or we
>fall
>> >> >> apart. How many more guys are going to have to go belly-up before
>some
>> >> >> see the writing on the wall? ALL servicing under warranty must stop
>> >> >> before the manufacturers start getting complaints from former
>> >customers.
>> >> >> We will have to stick together and hit them in the wallet, or they
>> will
>> >> >> never even look our way. The "every man for himself" attitude has
to
>> >> >> stop or we are ALL doomed! The coalminers and teamsters did it. No
>> >> >> reason we can't. Get the prices of new back up to where they should
>be
>> >> >> and start putting some "QUALITY" back into them. Then people won't
>> mind
>> >> >> paying more than $25 to get one fixed, if they know they can't run
>to
>> >> >> wallyworld and get a new one for $35.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Doug Keller
>> >> >> Wis-Kel Electronics
>> >> >> 101 Freeland Ave.
>> >> >> Terra Alta, WV
>> >> >> USA        26764
>> >> >> dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> http://www.tech-assist.org
>> >> >> "Learn from the mistakes of others, because you
>> >> >> won't live long enough to make them all yourself"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Al L wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >38 years here talking: We don't have the union mentality because
>when
>> >> the
>> >> >> >chips are down, its always every man for himself,always has
been.No
>> >> >matter
>> >> >> >what people say,its like that. I help whenever I can, have been
>> burned
>> >> >often
>> >> >> >by local guys.NESDA is helpful because we are not competing
>> >> locally,hence
>> >> >> >can be helpful and friendly.
>> >> >> >    Would you really tell the guy next door how to attract more
>> >> >customers?
>> >> >> >al
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Al Leatherman
>> >> >> >224 RT. 46
>> >> >> >Mine Hill, NJ 07803
>> >> >> >973-361-5796
>> >> >> >WWW.ALS-TV.NET
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:24 PM
>> >> >> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>True enough, but the manufacturers have a GREAT DEAL of influence
>> >since
>> >> >> >>NESDA owes it's very existence to them.
>> >> >> >>It's a "service dealers" association in name only. That's why
>there
>> >is
>> >> >no
>> >> >> >>"union-like" rhetoric found there.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Jim McVey
>> >> >> >>McVey Alltronix
>> >> >> >>327 Broadway
>> >> >> >>Newburgh Ny 12550
>> >> >> >>ph: 845 561 8383
>> >> >> >>fx: 845 561 9017
>> >> >> >>Consumer electronics &
>> >> >> >>computer service.
>> >> >> >>Factory authorized for
>> >> >> >>over twenty brands.
>>
>>
>>
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