Voices of progress should not be considered "troublemakers", yet that's EXACTLY how they are perceived! So, us "troublemakers " move on and let the "old guard" give each other longevity awards. Life goes on... Jim McVey McVey Alltronix 327 Broadway Newburgh Ny 12550 ph: 845 561 8383 fx: 845 561 9017 Consumer electronics & computer service. Factory authorized for over twenty brands. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Vanaman" <Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:52 AM Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA. > What it takes to change NESDA is some of us troublemakers willing to stick > it out. > > NESDA is made up of some of the "common people", the trouble is too many are > not willing to speak up. Me, I choose my fights over there. I have made a > few people upset, and a few things have changed. Not enough. > > However I have neither the time nor the financial resources to do more than > sit on the sidelines. > > Wayne Vanaman > Omega Electronics > 6904 W Fairfield Dr > Pensacola, Fl. 32506-3310 > > Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > WWW.PensacolaTVRepair.Com > > 850-456-5995 voice > 850-458-6369 fax > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:10 AM > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA. > > > > Al, > > > > You see, that's the problem. The "big shots" are the public face of NESDA. > > If they make it difficult to participate or change the organization for > the > > better, people get turned off very quickly. > > > > Our local chamber SEEKS OUT new ideas and opinions. If the consensus is > that > > something needs changing, then IT GETS CHANGED. > > No angry denunciations and inuendo-just PROGRESS and a spirit of a common > > goal. > > > > NESDA needs to be more like the chamber of commerce and become more > > accessable to be effective. > > > > Just one man's "opinion". > > > > Jim McVey > > McVey Alltronix > > 327 Broadway > > Newburgh Ny 12550 > > ph: 845 561 8383 > > fx: 845 561 9017 > > Consumer electronics & > > computer service. > > Factory authorized for > > over twenty brands. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Al L" <alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:04 PM > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA. > > > > > > > Jim, > > > You fit better than you think.I and a few others are considered NESDA > > > troublemakers,screw em. I get help on business tips,tech tips,meet nice > > > guys,and joined the New York group.I can share ideas since we aren't > next > > > door. > > > I get on Toshiba,RCA,and Hitachi websites through NESDA,get free > > > manuals,am not an asc.Most importantly, I went to the convention,met > > > privately with a lot of small guys,and discovered I am pretty > typical.Its > > > nice to have people to consult with. > > > Don't take the NESDA "big shots" seriously,and things are fine.I > > > frequently openly oppose them and got on sever al parts websites(they > > fought > > > me) recently,and convinced them to provide help on the tech tips.They do > > > listen, sometimes reluctantly. > > > Then there is the training on various manufacturers,last week > Toshiba, > > > next month JVC.I am going to the Va. convention for training and > > > partying,and Nashville later this summer. I get good value for my money. > > al > > > > > > Al Leatherman > > > 224 RT. 46 > > > Mine Hill, NJ 07803 > > > 973-361-5796 > > > WWW.ALS-TV.NET > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:18 PM > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA. > > > > > > > > > > Al, > > > > What happens when the guy next door joins as well? > > > > I don't know if it's really possible to attract individual customers > in > > > this > > > > business. > > > > They need you when they need you, otherwise the servicer is a > > non-entity. > > > > The usual retail type techniques are too inefficient for us since we > > > cannot > > > > generate "impulse buy" interest. > > > > > > > > As you say, it IS every man for himself! You are a wise man not to > share > > > > your promotional ideas with a competitor, it can only come back to > bite > > > you. > > > > However, what does NESDA do other than collect dues and throw a party? > > > > All their "programs" can be found elsewhere as well. > > > > > > > > If you enjoy the convention and veteran member cliques, then I suppose > > > it's > > > > worth it for you. I was more interested in improving the lot of the > > > service > > > > business in the US (and Canada). I didn't fit in. > > > > Hey, it's all about choices! To each his own... > > > > > > > > Jim McVey > > > > McVey Alltronix > > > > 327 Broadway > > > > Newburgh Ny 12550 > > > > ph: 845 561 8383 > > > > fx: 845 561 9017 > > > > Consumer electronics & > > > > computer service. > > > > Factory authorized for > > > > over twenty brands. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Al L" <alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:17 PM > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 38 years here talking: We don't have the union mentality because > when > > > the > > > > > chips are down, its always every man for himself,always has been.No > > > matter > > > > > what people say,its like that. I help whenever I can, have been > burned > > > > often > > > > > by local guys.NESDA is helpful because we are not competing > > > locally,hence > > > > > can be helpful and friendly. > > > > > Would you really tell the guy next door how to attract more > > > customers? > > > > > al > > > > > > > > > > Al Leatherman > > > > > 224 RT. 46 > > > > > Mine Hill, NJ 07803 > > > > > 973-361-5796 > > > > > WWW.ALS-TV.NET > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:24 PM > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True enough, but the manufacturers have a GREAT DEAL of influence > > > since > > > > > > NESDA owes it's very existence to them. > > > > > > It's a "service dealers" association in name only. That's why > there > > is > > > > no > > > > > > "union-like" rhetoric found there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim McVey > > > > > > McVey Alltronix > > > > > > 327 Broadway > > > > > > Newburgh Ny 12550 > > > > > > ph: 845 561 8383 > > > > > > fx: 845 561 9017 > > > > > > Consumer electronics & > > > > > > computer service. > > > > > > Factory authorized for > > > > > > over twenty brands. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: <greentron@xxxxxxx> > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > Cc: "Tel-Tek" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:31 PM > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway > Plasma > > > > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont think there is anything left BUT small independent > > servicers! > > > > The > > > > > > big guys, not supported by some other big guy, like Sears, and > > having > > > > > > captive customers, have pretty much all gone belly up. Just as you > > > cant > > > > > > squeeze blood out of a stone, you cant squeeze enough money out of > > > > > repairing > > > > > > consumer electronics to support an organization. I am not aware of > > ANY > > > > big > > > > > > service organizations being a member of Nesda. With a total less > > than > > > a > > > > > > thousand members, it would be like the tail trying to wag the dog. > > > > > > > J Silverman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's why I said Nesda? > > > > > > > > I shouldn't knock them...but I don't think they have the Small > > > > > > Independent > > > > > > > > Servicer on their mind. I don't belong..so I will keep my > mouth > > > > > > (keyboard) > > > > > > > > shut. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Ed- > > > > > > > > Tel-Tek Electronics > > > > > > > > Ontario-Canada > > > > > > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:02 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway > > > Plasma > > > > > > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NESDA look into something? ?????? > > > > > > > > > NESDA is more "over the hill" than you are! LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim McVey > > > > > > > > > McVey Alltronix > > > > > > > > > 327 Broadway > > > > > > > > > Newburgh Ny 12550 > > > > > > > > > ph: 845 561 8383 > > > > > > > > > fx: 845 561 9017 > > > > > > > > > Consumer electronics & > > > > > > > > > computer service. > > > > > > > > > Factory authorized for > > > > > > > > > over twenty brands. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:50 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: > Gateway > > > > Plasma > > > > > > > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other manufacturers are doing about the same thing, lots > of > > > new > > > > > > products > > > > > > > > > > are exchange only, no parts available, no service manuals > > > > > available > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > once the product is out of warranty the price to exchange > it > > > is > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > than a new replacement unit. I'm sure there are laws > against > > > > some > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > this, unfair trade practices, price fixing, etc. but I'm > too > > > far > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > the hill to really give a damn. Maybe some organization > like > > > > NESDA > > > > > > > > > > should be looking into it. Maybe they are, does anyone > know? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > *************************************** > > > > > > > > > > Since 1972 > > > > > > > > > > Jim Myers > > > > > > > > > > Telrad Electronics > > > > > > > > > > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed Gaidies wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Whole new Rip-Off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Ed- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tel-Tek Electronics > > > > > > > > > > > Ontario-Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: > > > Gateway > > > > > > Plasma > > > > > > > > > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Is that all? Only a grand? I figured it would be more > when > > > > they > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > > > >>$300 just to reload windows. (you need their "secret > code" > > > to > > > > > > unlock > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >>cmos and it must be so classified that they can't tell > you > > > > over > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >>phone, by email, or snail-mail) > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>Doug Keller > > > > > > > > > > >>Wis-Kel Electronics > > > > > > > > > > >>101 Freeland Ave. > > > > > > > > > > >>Terra Alta, WV > > > > > > > > > > >>USA 26764 > > > > > > > > > > >>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > >>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > >>http://www.tech-assist.org > > > > > > > > > > >>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you > > > > > > > > > > >>won't live long enough to make them all yourself" > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>Jim Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>Gateway refuses to sell parts even with pressure from > the > > > > > > customer. > > > > > > > > > > >>>Return set to customer, Gateway will send someone to > fix > > it > > > > for > > > > > a > > > > > > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > >>>$1000.00. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>************************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>Since 1972 > > > > > > > > > > >>>Jim Myers > > > > > > > > > > >>>Telrad Electronics > > > > > > > > > > >>>Fort Wayne, Indiana > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>Jim Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>The voltage goes to zero with the sensor removed. > There > > is > > > > no > > > > > > pullup > > > > > > > > > > >>>>resistor so I'm pretty sure the IC is the problem. > I'll > > > try > > > > > > Zenith > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > >>>>week, maybe the have a similar model. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>Since 1972 > > > > > > > > > > >>>>Jim Myers > > > > > > > > > > >>>>Telrad Electronics > > > > > > > > > > >>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>greentron@xxxxxxx wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>Do you measure a low resistance to ground on the > sensor > > > > > output > > > > > > > > lead? > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>Does the voltage on that lead go up to 5 (or maybe 3) > > > volts > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>sensor removed? Is there a pull-up resistor? > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>J Silverman > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Tried a different IR sensor, no help, still just > three > > > > > tenths > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>volt on the output pin and ity-bitty pulses from the > > > > remote. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > traced > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>the IR path to IC U4 which is an 80 pin surface > mount > > > > square > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>flatpack, goes to pin 80. Number on U4 is 6413079F18 > > and > > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>board with 2 15 pin VGA, 1 9 pin serial and a flat > > panel > > > > > > monitor > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>connector. Any information on where to get the ic or > > the > > > > > > board? > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>*********************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>*********************************** > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Since 1972 > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Jim Myers > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Telrad Electronics > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Scott Beebe wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Hello Jim, > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>If you take out the IR sensor, then that would rule > > out > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>receiver. But it > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>sounds like a micro problem to me. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Thanx, > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Scott Beebe > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Ohm Electronics Inc. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>609 W. Clinton St. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Ithaca NY 14850 > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Voice: (607) 273-8406 > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Fax: (607) 273-8743 > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>WWW.OhmElectronicsInc.com > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>mailto:Scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Wednesday, March 31, 2004, 3:57:48 PM, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Are technical questions still allowed? > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> This Gateway GTW-P42M102 has a sticker on the > > > inside > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>it is a > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> LG model PDP42WVSN3. The owner says a worker > at > > > the > > > > > > office > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>caused a > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> static spark when she reached for the buttons > on > > > the > > > > > > front, > > > > > > > > > now > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>it has > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> the menu displayed over the picture all the > time > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>cursor bar > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> scrolling up over and over. Also the remote no > > > > longer > > > > > > works. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>The wire > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> from the remote receiver at the connector has > > > three > > > > > > tenths > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>volt and > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> very low amplitude pulses when the remote is > > > > > activated. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > end > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>wire on > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> this 6 pin connector has 5 volts. Sounds like > > the > > > > > micro > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> receiver got zapped but if anyone has service > > > manual > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>information on > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> this a little help would be nice. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>*********************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>*********************************** > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Since 1972 > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Jim Myers > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Telrad Electronics > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Fort Wayne, Indiana > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Lost Password: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login > > > > > > Problems?". > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Email Archives: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Lost Password: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login > > > Problems?". > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Email Archives: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>//www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Lost Password: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login > > > Problems?". > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Email Archives: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>//www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>Lost Password: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login > > Problems?". > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>Email Archives: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>//www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > - 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