[TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.

From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:29:56 -0600
Ed,
I wasn't going to answer Jerry's post,..but, since you seem to think I'm a
dummy,...I have changed my mind. LOOK for IT !
;-O

LLW

LeRoy Westlund
Westlund TV & Electronics
97 North Main                                "Where there's a will,...
Centerfield, UT 84622-0087           There's always a way."
Ph./Fax  435-528-3822
mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: Tel-Tek <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sunday, April 18, 2004 3:23 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.


>Jerry;
>Although this is not Technical, and should be on another list, I am glad
>that we have someone that puts a little thought in their answers, and has
>some grasp on history. If not by living it, at least educating themselves
to
>have some expansion on the bigger picture.
>Very refreshing. No one will have answers on these problems, and those that
>think they do, just may be in the wrong business.
>
>
>-Ed-
>
>Tel-Tek Electronics
>Ontario-Canada
>teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxx>
>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 3:58 PM
>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>
>
>> Isolationism might have worked 200 years ago but today we supply many
>> products to the countries that are supplying the items in question. So
>they
>> can just retaliate by putting high tarriffs on the products they import
>from
>> us. We sell them large amounts of grain, meat, wood, machinery,
>instruments,
>> aircraft, weapons, military equipment, special metals, etc.
>> The products that we buy from them stabilize their economies and prevents
>> wars and revolutions that we eventually get dragged into. Hitler got into
>> power in Germany only because he promised to get them out of the long
>severe
>> depression that they were having. We have just finished giving away the
>> textile industry to countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh to stabilize
>them
>> and those guys are sweating that China might take it away from them.
>> Gasoline is still cheap at twice the price, which is why so much of it is
>> just wasted. Cars are too expensive. Just ask the dealers. But it isnt
the
>> price. Its the monthly payment that is important, and many tricks have
>been
>> used to keep the monthly payments at a level that keeps them selling. I
>> often wonder what trick will be used the next time car sales fall off.
>> Entertainment electronics just doesnt seem to carry a priority worth
>> destabilizing the world over.
>> Jerry Silverman
>> Greentron Inc
>> 4 Newland Ave
>> Greenville SC 29609
>> 864 232 3889
>> Fax 271 2080
>> mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 2:26 AM
>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>>
>>
>> > Thanks for responding to my comments, Jerry.
>> > I kinda figured nobody would take my post very seriously.
>> > The fact is,...people will still buy the products, no matter how much
>they
>> > cost. Why ? Cause the American people are so spoiled, that they will
not
>> go
>> > without the things they have become acustomed to enjoying, by plunging
>> > themselves so far in dept with their credit cards, that MOST will never
>> > recover.
>> >
>> > They have shown that they will pay the price on just about anything if
>> they
>> > are given no choice. Just look at the price of gas, and the cost of
>buying
>> a
>> > new car. They continue to pay higher prices,....and nobody is even
>> > complaining about it.
>> >
>> > All I want them (The government) to do, is slap a high import fee on
>TVs,
>> > and DVDs, and stereos, etc,, that are being dumped on the US market
from
>> > Mexico, and over seas. I know that's a move that involves the US
>> government,
>> > and the manufacturers, and service associations have little, or no
>contol
>> > over it. But,...how long do you think TCE, and Philips will remain in
>> China,
>> > when they find out that people in the US are not allowing themselves to
>be
>> > the dumpimg ground for all the JUNK that they are causing to flow from
>> there
>> > ?
>> >
>> > If someone SOMEWHERE does not do what needs to be done,....this country
>is
>> > going to be LOST (In more ways then one). We need to get rid of NAFTA,
>> slap
>> > high import fees on units manufaturered over seas, and FORCE the
>> electronic
>> > manufacturers to build plants here in this country, to create more jobs
>> for
>> > the people. This way, more $$$ will be spent here in the US, the tax
>base
>> > will increase,and people who really want to turn things around for the
>> > better, will be able to do it, and the American consumer will be more
>able
>> > to pay the higer prices that are going to be needed.  Until then,...we
>are
>> > just plain DOOMED,....and in this regard,...I tend to agree with you.
>> >
>> > LLW
>> >
>> > LeRoy Westlund
>> > Westlund TV & Electronics
>> > 97 North Main                                "Where there's a will,...
>> > Centerfield, UT 84622-0087           There's always a way."
>> > Ph./Fax  435-528-3822
>> > mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: J Silverman <greentron@xxxxxxx>
>> > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Date: Saturday, April 17, 2004 1:19 PM
>> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>> >
>> >
>> > >You just dont seem to get the point! The manufacturers have layed the
>> > golden
>> > >eggs (service opportunities) of the past. They dont owe you anything.
>You
>> > >have chosen to take advantage of this situation rather than doing
>> something
>> > >else for a living. But the money just isnt there and there isnt
>anything
>> > >that you or I or any organization can do about it. They know that you
>> cant
>> > >survive on this pittance and they dont expect you to be around forever
>so
>> > >they are taking steps to handle future service in an entirely
different
>> way
>> > >that doesnt require technicians and service centers. Big companies
like
>> UPS
>> > >and IBM are already involved in exclusive national service on many
>> > products,
>> > >and new products coming on to the market have been designed to take
>> > >advantage of that method of service. So you wont be seeing the new
>stuff
>> > and
>> > >if you do, there wont be any parts or manuals. If you have an idea
>about
>> > how
>> > >to turn this situation back to our advantage, that wont kill the
>> > >manufacturers or make the products so expensive that people wont buy
>> them,
>> > >lets hear it!
>> > >Jerry Silverman
>> > >Greentron Inc
>> > >4 Newland Ave
>> > >Greenville SC 29609
>> > >864 232 3889
>> > >Fax 271 2080
>> > >mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > >Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 1:54 AM
>> > >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Jim,
>> > >> Maybe you should have stayed with them, and offered your services to
>> run
>> > >for
>> > >> President of that Organiztion.
>> > >> There have been a LOT of good people coming, and going from that
>> > >particular
>> > >> Organization, ( I could name a few,...but,..they know who they
>> > >> are ).....but,...NONE of them have had the guts, to get mixed up
with
>> > them
>> > >> to the point of making major changes, and offering to take the bull
>by
>> > the
>> > >> horn.
>> > >>
>> > >> I would have stayed with them, after the ONE year of free
>> > >> membership,....but,...I could not keep up with the financial burden
>> that
>> > >it
>> > >> placed on me. It's the same problem as you run into, if you were to
>run
>> > >for
>> > >> pesident of the U.S.,..the POOR guy has NO chance,...ONLY the most
>> > >> successful members have the time, and the finances to be involved
>with
>> > all
>> > >> there conventions, meetings, etc.,...and these are the people that
>> always
>> > >> need the least amount of help.
>> > >>
>> > >> The top brass of Nesda are there for their own benifit, and social
>> > >> positions, and they only use the rest of us to help pay the dues,
and
>> the
>> > >> bills, that keep them in power. I'm not sure this is the best place
>> > >>  TechAssist ), to be discussing the operations of other peoples
>> > >> associations. Maybe we need to start our OWN Associasion, and not be
>so
>> > >> friendly towards the Manufacturers. How about it ? Anybody out there
>> who
>> > >> wants to be in the top brass positions of a NEW organization ? You
>guys
>> > >help
>> > >> compose the messages that you want to get through to the
>> > >> manufacturers,....and I'll send them for you. Just provide the
e-mail
>> > >> addresses for me. Let's get some of you ASC guys involved, and
>threaten
>> > >the
>> > >> manufacturers to stop doing warranty work for them, until they get
in
>> > >line,
>> > >> and clean up there act.
>> > >>
>> > >> There are also, a lot of members on this list who have never been
>> > involved
>> > >> with Nesda, that MIGHT could help us form a NEW Association, that
>could
>> > >> better serve us remaining independents by approacing things from a
>> > >different
>> > >> direction, and with a MORE stern attitude.
>> > >> .
>> > >> Just a thought,
>> > >> LLW
>> > >>
>> > >> LeRoy Westlund
>> > >> Westlund TV & Electronics
>> > >> 97 North Main                                "Where there's a
>will,...
>> > >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087           There's always a way."
>> > >> Ph./Fax  435-528-3822
>> > >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
>> > >>
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: becyn <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > >> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2004 5:35 PM
>> > >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> >Doug,
>> > >> >I wouldn't stand one one foot waiting for the manufacturers to
>> increase
>> > >> >quality and prices.
>> > >> >People want "cheap products". Why do you think Wal-mart is so
>> > successful?
>> > >> We
>> > >> >as businessmen have to accept this as our new environment to which
>we
>> > >must
>> > >> >adapt or perish.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >I always thought that NESDA could have done alot more for the
>service
>> > >> >industry by working on issues like;
>> > >> >Standardization of warranty proceedures and electronic entry
>formats.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Standardization of manual distribution format.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Product serviceability (such as all projos should have a
rermoveable
>> > >light
>> > >> >box, etc).
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Work with the membership to develop a useful universal,
>comprehensive
>> > >> >call/claim management system for automating the industry.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Lobby for better rates or better methods of repairing inexpensive
>> items.
>> > >(
>> > >> >such as not requiring component level repair)
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Well, you get the idea...I could go on...
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Jim McVey
>> > >> >McVey Alltronix
>> > >> >327 Broadway
>> > >> >Newburgh Ny 12550
>> > >> >ph: 845 561 8383
>> > >> >fx: 845 561 9017
>> > >> >Consumer electronics &
>> > >> >computer service.
>> > >> >Factory authorized for
>> > >> >over twenty brands.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >----- Original Message -----
>> > >> >From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > >> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > >> >Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:24 PM
>> > >> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> Al has that right. Basically, we either all stand together or we
>> fall
>> > >> >> apart. How many more guys are going to have to go belly-up before
>> some
>> > >> >> see the writing on the wall? ALL servicing under warranty must
>stop
>> > >> >> before the manufacturers start getting complaints from former
>> > >customers.
>> > >> >> We will have to stick together and hit them in the wallet, or
they
>> > will
>> > >> >> never even look our way. The "every man for himself" attitude has
>to
>> > >> >> stop or we are ALL doomed! The coalminers and teamsters did it.
No
>> > >> >> reason we can't. Get the prices of new back up to where they
>should
>> be
>> > >> >> and start putting some "QUALITY" back into them. Then people
won't
>> > mind
>> > >> >> paying more than $25 to get one fixed, if they know they can't
run
>> to
>> > >> >> wallyworld and get a new one for $35.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Doug Keller
>> > >> >> Wis-Kel Electronics
>> > >> >> 101 Freeland Ave.
>> > >> >> Terra Alta, WV
>> > >> >> USA        26764
>> > >> >> dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >> >> dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >> >> http://www.tech-assist.org
>> > >> >> "Learn from the mistakes of others, because you
>> > >> >> won't live long enough to make them all yourself"
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Al L wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >38 years here talking: We don't have the union mentality because
>> when
>> > >> the
>> > >> >> >chips are down, its always every man for himself,always has
>been.No
>> > >> >matter
>> > >> >> >what people say,its like that. I help whenever I can, have been
>> > burned
>> > >> >often
>> > >> >> >by local guys.NESDA is helpful because we are not competing
>> > >> locally,hence
>> > >> >> >can be helpful and friendly.
>> > >> >> >    Would you really tell the guy next door how to attract more
>> > >> >customers?
>> > >> >> >al
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >Al Leatherman
>> > >> >> >224 RT. 46
>> > >> >> >Mine Hill, NJ 07803
>> > >> >> >973-361-5796
>> > >> >> >WWW.ALS-TV.NET
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> > >> >> >From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > >> >> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > >> >> >Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:24 PM
>> > >> >> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >>True enough, but the manufacturers have a GREAT DEAL of
>influence
>> > >since
>> > >> >> >>NESDA owes it's very existence to them.
>> > >> >> >>It's a "service dealers" association in name only. That's why
>> there
>> > >is
>> > >> >no
>> > >> >> >>"union-like" rhetoric found there.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >>Jim McVey
>> > >> >> >>McVey Alltronix
>> > >> >> >>327 Broadway
>> > >> >> >>Newburgh Ny 12550
>> > >> >> >>ph: 845 561 8383
>> > >> >> >>fx: 845 561 9017
>> > >> >> >>Consumer electronics &
>> > >> >> >>computer service.
>> > >> >> >>Factory authorized for
>> > >> >> >>over twenty brands.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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