[TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.

From: Doug Keller <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:24:09 -0400
Al has that right. Basically, we either all stand together or we fall 
apart. How many more guys are going to have to go belly-up before some 
see the writing on the wall? ALL servicing under warranty must stop 
before the manufacturers start getting complaints from former customers. 
We will have to stick together and hit them in the wallet, or they will 
never even look our way. The "every man for himself" attitude has to 
stop or we are ALL doomed! The coalminers and teamsters did it. No 
reason we can't. Get the prices of new back up to where they should be 
and start putting some "QUALITY" back into them. Then people won't mind 
paying more than $25 to get one fixed, if they know they can't run to 
wallyworld and get a new one for $35.

Doug Keller
Wis-Kel Electronics
101 Freeland Ave.
Terra Alta, WV
USA        26764
dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.tech-assist.org
"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you
won't live long enough to make them all yourself"





Al L wrote:

>38 years here talking: We don't have the union mentality because when the
>chips are down, its always every man for himself,always has been.No matter
>what people say,its like that. I help whenever I can, have been burned often
>by local guys.NESDA is helpful because we are not competing locally,hence
>can be helpful and friendly.
>    Would you really tell the guy next door how to attract more customers?
>al
>
>Al Leatherman
>224 RT. 46
>Mine Hill, NJ 07803
>973-361-5796
>WWW.ALS-TV.NET
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:24 PM
>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! -NESDA.
>
>
>  
>
>>True enough, but the manufacturers have a GREAT DEAL of influence since
>>NESDA owes it's very existence to them.
>>It's a "service dealers" association in name only. That's why there is no
>>"union-like" rhetoric found there.
>>
>>Jim McVey
>>McVey Alltronix
>>327 Broadway
>>Newburgh Ny 12550
>>ph: 845 561 8383
>>fx: 845 561 9017
>>Consumer electronics &
>>computer service.
>>Factory authorized for
>>over twenty brands.
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: <greentron@xxxxxxx>
>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Cc: "Tel-Tek" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:31 PM
>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
>>GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
>>
>>
>>    
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>>>I dont think there is anything left BUT small independent servicers! The
>>>      
>>>
>>big guys, not supported by some other big guy, like Sears, and having
>>captive customers, have pretty much all gone belly up. Just as you cant
>>squeeze blood out of a stone, you cant squeeze enough money out of
>>    
>>
>repairing
>  
>
>>consumer electronics to support an organization. I am not aware of ANY big
>>service organizations being a member of Nesda. With a total less than a
>>thousand members, it would be like the tail trying to wag the dog.
>>    
>>
>>>J Silverman
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>That's why I said Nesda?
>>>>I shouldn't knock them...but I don't think they have the Small
>>>>        
>>>>
>>Independent
>>    
>>
>>>>Servicer on their mind. I don't belong..so I will keep my mouth
>>>>        
>>>>
>>(keyboard)
>>    
>>
>>>>shut.
>>>>
>>>>-Ed-
>>>>Tel-Tek Electronics
>>>>Ontario-Canada
>>>>teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:02 PM
>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
>>>>GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>NESDA look into something? ??????
>>>>>NESDA is more "over the hill" than you are! LOL
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim McVey
>>>>>McVey Alltronix
>>>>>327 Broadway
>>>>>Newburgh Ny 12550
>>>>>ph: 845 561 8383
>>>>>fx: 845 561 9017
>>>>>Consumer electronics &
>>>>>computer service.
>>>>>Factory authorized for
>>>>>over twenty brands.
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:50 PM
>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
>>>>>GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>Other manufacturers are doing about the same thing, lots of new
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>products
>>    
>>
>>>>>>are exchange only, no parts available, no service manuals
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>available
>  
>
>>and
>>    
>>
>>>>>>once the product is out of warranty the price to exchange it is
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>more
>  
>
>>>>>>than a new replacement unit. I'm sure there are laws against some
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>of
>  
>
>>>>>>this, unfair trade practices, price fixing, etc. but I'm too far
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>over
>>    
>>
>>>>>>the hill to really give a damn. Maybe some organization like NESDA
>>>>>>should be looking into it. Maybe they are, does anyone know?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>****************************************************************************
>  
>
>>>>>***************************************
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>Since 1972
>>>>>>Jim Myers
>>>>>>Telrad Electronics
>>>>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ed Gaidies wrote:
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Whole new Rip-Off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-Ed-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tel-Tek Electronics
>>>>>>>Ontario-Canada
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:08 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>Plasma
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Is that all? Only a grand? I figured it would be more when they
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>wanted
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>$300 just to reload windows. (you need their "secret code" to
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>unlock
>>    
>>
>>>>the
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>>cmos and it must be so classified that they can't tell you over
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>the
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>phone, by email, or snail-mail)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Doug Keller
>>>>>>>>Wis-Kel Electronics
>>>>>>>>101 Freeland Ave.
>>>>>>>>Terra Alta, WV
>>>>>>>>USA        26764
>>>>>>>>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>http://www.tech-assist.org
>>>>>>>>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you
>>>>>>>>won't live long enough to make them all yourself"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jim Myers wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Gateway refuses to sell parts even with pressure from the
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>customer.
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>Return set to customer, Gateway will send someone to fix it for
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>a
>  
>
>>>>cool
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>$1000.00.
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>**************************************************************************
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>*
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>****************************************
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Since 1972
>>>>>>>>>Jim Myers
>>>>>>>>>Telrad Electronics
>>>>>>>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Jim Myers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The voltage goes to zero with the sensor removed. There is no
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>pullup
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>resistor so I'm pretty sure the IC is the problem. I'll try
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>Zenith
>>    
>>
>>>>>next
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>week, maybe the have a similar model.
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>*************************************************************************
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>*
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>*****************************************
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Since 1972
>>>>>>>>>>Jim Myers
>>>>>>>>>>Telrad Electronics
>>>>>>>>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>greentron@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Do you measure a low resistance to ground on the sensor
>>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>>>>>
>output
>  
>
>>>>lead?
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Does the voltage on that lead go up to 5 (or maybe 3) volts
>>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>with
>>    
>>
>>>>the
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>sensor removed? Is there a pull-up resistor?
>>>>>>>>>>>J Silverman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Tried a different IR sensor, no help, still just three
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>tenths
>  
>
>>of a
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>volt on the output pin and ity-bitty pulses from the remote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>I
>  
>
>>>>>traced
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>the IR path to IC U4 which is an 80 pin surface mount square
>>>>>>>>>>>>flatpack, goes to pin 80. Number on U4 is 6413079F18 and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>is
>  
>
>>on
>>    
>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>board with 2 15 pin VGA, 1 9 pin serial and a flat panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>monitor
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>connector. Any information on where to get the ic or the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>board?
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>***********************************************************************
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>*
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>********
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>***********************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>Since 1972
>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim Myers
>>>>>>>>>>>>Telrad Electronics
>>>>>>>>>>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Scott Beebe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hello Jim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you take out the IR sensor, then that would rule out the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>receiver. But it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>sounds like a micro problem to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanx,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Scott Beebe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ohm Electronics Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>609 W. Clinton St.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ithaca NY 14850
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Voice: (607) 273-8406
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fax: (607) 273-8743
>>>>>>>>>>>>>WWW.OhmElectronicsInc.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>mailto:Scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wednesday, March 31, 2004, 3:57:48 PM, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> Are technical questions still allowed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> This Gateway GTW-P42M102 has a sticker on the inside
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>that
>>    
>>
>>>>says
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>it is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> LG model PDP42WVSN3. The owner says a worker at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>office
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>caused a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> static spark when she reached for the buttons on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>front,
>>    
>>
>>>>>now
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>it has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> the menu displayed over the picture all the time with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>the
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>cursor bar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> scrolling up over and over. Also the remote no longer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>works.
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>The wire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> from the remote receiver at the connector has three
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>tenths
>>    
>>
>>>>of
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>a
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>volt and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> very low amplitude pulses when the remote is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>activated.
>  
>
>>The
>>    
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>>>>>end
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>wire on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> this 6 pin connector has 5 volts. Sounds like the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>micro
>  
>
>>or
>>    
>>
>>>>the
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>IR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> receiver got zapped but if anyone has service manual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>or
>  
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>information on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> this a little help would be nice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>***********************************************************************
>>>>>>            
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>>>>>*
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>********
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>***********************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> Since 1972
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> Jim Myers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> Telrad Electronics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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