Make a deal guys-I'll be good if you use your scope often. LOL. Hollis Bates, Field Engineer-retired In a message dated 12/9/02 11:24:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > Subj:[TechAssist] Re: GE 20GT425 Turns OFF/ON Repeatedly > Date:12/9/02 11:24:59 AM Eastern Standard Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> > Reply-to:<A > HREF="mailto:techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > > It could be worse, you could have been called a forum jocky. ( Alias, > tube > jocky) > Phillip R Hull > phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Lessard" <mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:53 AM > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE 20GT425 Turns OFF/ON Repeatedly > > > > > > Ed, > > > > Point taken. However my question still remains. I would appreciate any > > pointers on how to diagnose a problem like the one I had. Furthermore I > > think that it's inappropiate for a fellow technician to suggest "we are > > tinkerers and not technicians". I became slightly defensive in my > response > > because I don't take comments like this too lightly from technicians who > > should understand the problems with diagnosing intermittent problems. > > Comments like, "use your scope that's the professional way to > troubleshoot" > > and that "we a tinkerers" are negative comments. Sharing your knowledge > is > a > > good thing, > > > > I believe positive comments whould have been more effective, then again, > it > > may just be the way I interpreted my fellow technician's response to my > > posting. > > > > Sorry if I insulted anyone. > > > > "Share what you know, learn what you don't" > > > > David Lessard > > Alexandria Electronics > > 50 Harrison Street > > Alexandria, Ontario > > (613)525-4502 > > mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of teltek2 > > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:21 AM > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE 20GT425 Turns OFF/ON Repeatedly > > > > > > > > David; > > Lower your angle of "attack",may have to read up on "Email Diplomacy > 101". > > May just be the way you are coming across, Remember....wer'e here to > > help....;-) > > > > -Ed- > > Tel-Tek Electronics > > Ontario-Canada > > > > teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Lessard" <mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:45 AM > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE 20GT425 Turns OFF/ON Repeatedly > > > > > > > > > > Hollis, > > > > > > Yes I have a scope, a nice one too! And as a professional just how is > one > > > supposed to monitor a problem where there is a constant cycling of the > > power > > > OFF and ON. I ask you this question. Did you even read the symptom? > Anyway > > > tne problem is resolved, if you have any comments or suggestions in how > > > someone should go about troubleshooting an intermittent like this then > > feel > > > free to spread the word. > > > > > > "Share what you know, learn what you don't" > > > > > > David Lessard > > > Alexandria Electronics > > > 50 Harrison Street > > > Alexandria, Ontario > > > (613)525-4502 > > > mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of HSWAD@xxxxxxx > > > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 8:32 AM > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE 20GT425 Turns OFF/ON Repeatedly > > > > > > > > > But you still found it with the hunt and peck method which costs both > you > > > and > > > your customer money. Using your scope would have narrowed that down to > 15 > > > minutes or so while the trouble was in progress. I have been telling > guys > > > for > > > years to be a Tech not a tinkerer. Hollis Bates, Field Engineer retired > > USE > > > YOUR SCOPE > > > In > > > a message dated 12/9/02 6:00:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > Subj:[TechAssist] Re: GE 20GT425 Turns OFF/ON Repeatedly > > > > Date:12/9/02 6:00:01 AM Eastern Standard Time > > > > From:<A HREF="mailto:mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx";>mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx</A> > > > > Reply-to:> > HREF="mailto:techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";> > techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > To:> HREF="mailto:techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Symptom: > > > > > > > > Cyclic OFF/ON problem (relay clicking) usually after power-up but > also > > > > occured intermittently. The cycle can be stopped by holding the power > > > > button > > > > ON during the next OFF/ON cycle, then the TV shuts off normally. The > > > > problem > > > > was intermittent, sometimes days between acting up. > > > > > > > > Solution: > > > > > > > > Found numerous postings regarding CR4118, replaced it. No change. > > > Confirmed > > > > switch was not the problem by replacing it with another one. No > change. > > > > Re-soldered in and around HOT area, transformers, etc. No change. > > Further > > > > investigation revealed several cold solder joints near R118U - 33ohm > > power > > > > resistor near CR4118. Visual inpection didn't reveal this problem, > the > > > > joints appeared OK. The problem was discovered by applying pressure > to > > the > > > > PCB near R118U. This dog is out the door. > > > > > > > > Thanks to all who provided input. > > > > > > > > David Lessard > > > > Alexandria Electronics > > > > 50 Harrison Street > > > > Alexandria, Ontario > > > > (613)525-4502 > > > > mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > Submit A Repair Tip For Everyone Here: > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.html > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > > > To CHANGE your email address, click here: > > > > http://www.techassist.net/forms/change.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > Submit A Repair Tip For Everyone Here: > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.html > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > > To CHANGE your email address, click here: > > > http://www.techassist.net/forms/change.html > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > Submit A Repair Tip For Everyone Here: > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.html > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > > To CHANGE your email address, click here: > > > http://www.techassist.net/forms/change.html > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > Submit A Repair Tip For Everyone Here: > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.html > > ------------------------------------------ > > To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > To CHANGE your email address, click here: > > http://www.techassist.net/forms/change.html > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > Submit A Repair Tip For Everyone Here: > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.html > > ------------------------------------------ > > To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > To CHANGE your email address, click here: > > http://www.techassist.net/forms/change.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > Submit A Repair Tip For Everyone Here: > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.html > ------------------------------------------ > To REMOVE your email address, click here: > http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > To CHANGE your email address, click here: > http://www.techassist.net/forms/change.html > ------------------------------------------ Submit A Repair Tip For Everyone Here: http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.html ------------------------------------------ To REMOVE your email address, click here: http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html To CHANGE your email address, click here: http://www.techassist.net/forms/change.html