[sib-access] Re: Strange keystroke problem
- From: saeed Mirzazadeh <saeedm19@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:36:33 +0100
Dave,
It didn't work. We controlled the file .jkm in Sib-access pacage and
it has the right hotkey. We replaced it to its proper address, and the
problem still goes on in Sibelius. For your information, the right
hotkey has been written in the old file which we have cut it from
directory. It's too strange that the hotkey
alt+control+windows+up/down arrow which is the only keystroke to
navigate through the staves has not been defined in the file.
I found just another difference between the hotkeys list in default
serie of my Jaws keyboard manager with his. In mine there are 654
items and in his 652.
Again, this difference is not in Sibelius hotkys, just in default ones.
How do you think?
Thanks.
Regards,
Saeed
On 12/11/14, Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello Saeed,
>
> It is strange that the file from the original Sib-Access package should now
>
> be different. No harm in copying your file over to the other computer to see
>
> what happens. Just to be safe, rename the original file to Sibelius5.mkj so
>
> you can retrieve it if necessary.
>
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, woodworker, and pioneer
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "saeed Mirzazadeh" <saeedm19@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 03:08 PM
> Subject: [sib-access] Re: Strange keystroke problem
>
>
> Dave,
> How do you think if I replace the file Sibelius5.jkm of his computer
> with mine? As my file is working properly, it would work too. It's
> simply accessible from
> C\users\username\AppData\roming\FredomScientific\Jaws\JawsVersion\setting\Enu\Sibelius5.jkm.
> In fact, this file is one of those in jaws folder of sib-access
> plug-in, which is paste along the others in ExploreMySettings of Jaws
> from start menue. I don't know why this keystroke has been changed!!!
> Thanks.
> Saeed
>
> On 12/10/14, saeed Mirzazadeh <saeedm19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Dave,
>> It's wonderfull! Thanks so much!
>> I looked at it on my machine and know the way. I suppose the hotkey
>> with windows-key is replaced in his laptop, because I don't find this
>> keystroke on mine. I'll try it tomorrow morning.
>> Thanks again so much!!!
>> Regards,
>> Saeed
>>
>> On 12/10/14, Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Saeed,
>>>
>>> First, in the keyboard manager, the list that first appears are all the
>>> various application-specific files. look for default and then Tab to get
>>> to
>>>
>>> the actual list of keystrokes. Then you can do a search (in the Actions
>>> menu) to see if you can find any assignments for the needed keystroke.
>>>
>>> As to what is actually working, you might now want to check the keyboard
>>> manager again for the active Sibelius file and tab over to the list and
>>> see
>>>
>>> if that keystroke is listed (the one with the Windows key included). If
>>> so,
>>>
>>> and if it is indeed assigned to moving up/down staves, then you can
>>> change
>>> it to the standard keystroke. Exit the keyboard manager after that, and
>>> see
>>>
>>> if it works.
>>>
>>> All this may be irrelevant, if perhaps your friend's laptop has
>>> something
>>> very different in their physical keyboard and how it is laid out.
>>>
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Oregonian, woodworker, and pioneer
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "saeed Mirzazadeh" <saeedm19@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 04:07 AM
>>> Subject: [sib-access] Re: Strange keystroke problem
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>> Thanks for your guidline!
>>> In Jaws keyboard manager, there are 654 items and it's so difficult to
>>> control all of it. But I can see a difference between mine and his
>>> machine, that in his, there are 652 items, so 2 items less. Is that
>>> something to verify seriously?
>>> In Sibelius keyboard manager, I controlled and didn't see any problem.
>>> Fortunately we found a substitutive combination in order to navigate
>>> between staves: alt+control+windows+u/down arrow. So just by adding
>>> windows-key it works. But it doesn't say the staff name you go on
>>> immediately. It needs to navigate by arrow-keys, and before announcing
>>> the note or rest, it says the staff-name.
>>> Therefor, he can work now. But let's find the resolution of that
>>> problem, if you agree!
>>> Thanks a lot.
>>> Regards,
>>> Saeed
>>>
>>> On 12/10/14, Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Saeed,
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if the JAWS default keyboard manager configuration has
>>>> assigned
>>>> that keystroke to some other function? Look for it there, or in any
>>>> Sibelius-related keyboard manager files and see if you can remove it.
>>>> But
>>>> start with the JAWS default settings in the manager.keyboard
>>>> Dave Carlson
>>>> Oregonian, woodworker, and pioneer
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "saeed Mirzazadeh" <saeedm19@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 01:07 PM
>>>> Subject: [sib-access] Re: Strange keystroke problem
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hay all, specially Dan Rugman,
>>>> I connected to my friend's computer via Tandom, and re-installed
>>>> Sibelius and Sib-access. Very strangely the problem exists!!! It's
>>>> just this keystroke that doesn't work, even with my keyboard via
>>>> Tandom, also with an external keyboard.
>>>> Please help us. I do not have any idea to try....!!!
>>>> Many thanks!!!
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Saeed
>>>>
>>>> On 12/8/14, Chris Smart <csmart8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> ask Dan.
>>>>>
>>>>> At 05:01 PM 12/8/2014, you wrote:
>>>>>>I wonder if there's any news on SA6.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of saeed Mirzazadeh
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 1:58 PM
>>>>>>To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>Subject: [sib-access] Re: Strange keystroke problem
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Annabelle,
>>>>>>There is no graphic problem now. The keystroke to navigate between
>>>>>>staves doesn't work, (alt+control+up/down arrow). It's correspondent
>>>>>>with that keystroke which rotate the screen, but it's already disable.
>>>>>>Saeed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 12/8/14, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> > I wonder, does that rotation happen on desktops as well? The reason
>>>>>> > why
>>>>>> > I
>>>>>> > ask this is because when my sighted friend, Markus Johnson, makes
>>>>>> > mouse
>>>>>> > scripts for me with Axife Mouse Recorder, sometimes the screen
>>>>>> > redraws
>>>>>> > itself without us knowing what's going on.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> > From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> > [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
>>>>>> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 1:27 PM
>>>>>> > To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> > Subject: [sib-access] Re: Strange keystroke problem
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > the key that rotates the visual display on most laptops.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > At 04:21 PM 12/8/2014, you wrote:
>>>>>> >>What exactly is the "graphic hotkey"? I'm confused.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>> >>From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> >>[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of saeed
>>>>>> >> Mirzazadeh
>>>>>> >>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 1:19 PM
>>>>>> >>To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> >>Subject: [sib-access] Re: Strange keystroke problem
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>Hi all.
>>>>>> >>Although the screen is in normal way and the graphic hotkey is
>>>>>> >>disable, the problem still exists. For your information, Sib-access
>>>>>> >>has been removed and installed again. Nothing changed.
>>>>>> >>If you don't remember the problem, I repeat that
>>>>>> >> alt+control+up/down
>>>>>> >>arrow to navigate between staves doesn't work.
>>>>>> >>Thanks for your kind help in advance!
>>>>>> >>Regards,
>>>>>> >>Saeed
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>On 12/5/14, saeed Mirzazadeh <saeedm19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > Thanks Dave.
>>>>>> >> > The problem is to make sure if the screen is in normal way
>>>>>> >> > before
>>>>>> >> > setting the graphic hotkey disable. I'll try to find a way.
>>>>>> >> > Thanks again.
>>>>>> >> > Saeed
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > On 12/5/14, Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> Saeed,
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> It will work, and make sure that the setting is saved. Also if
>>>>>> >> >> the
>>>>>> > screen
>>>>>> >> >> is
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> already rotated, it will not work, so make sure the screen is
>>>>>> >> >> back
>>>>>> >> >> to
>>>>>> >> >> a
>>>>>> >> >> normal right-side up view.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Dave Carlson
>>>>>> >> >> Oregonian, woodworker, and pioneer
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >> >> From: "saeed Mirzazadeh" <saeedm19@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> >> >> To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> >> >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 12:40 PM
>>>>>> >> >> Subject: [sib-access] Re: Strange keystroke problem
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Dave,
>>>>>> >> >> Thanks for al information.
>>>>>> >> >> But I already knew that and had him done it. It doesn't still
>>>>>> >> >> work.
>>>>>> >> >> Regards,
>>>>>> >> >> Saeed
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> On 12/5/14, Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>> Hello,
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>> Here's the text from the tips *& tricks file:
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>> Fixing Screen Rotation
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>> Ctrl+Alt+Down restores the screen to its correct position. So,
>>>>>> >> >>> if
>>>>>> > you're
>>>>>> >> >>> only trying that keystroke, you won't see anything happening
>>>>>> >> >>> on
>>>>>> > screen.
>>>>>> >> >>> If
>>>>>> >> >>> you try Ctrl+Alt+Up however, the screen will turn
>>>>>> >> >>> up-side-down,
>>>>>> >> >>> which
>>>>>> >> >>> will
>>>>>> >> >>> be an obvious giveaway. You may also find that JAWS stops
>>>>>> >> >>> reading
>>>>>> >> >>> list
>>>>>> >> >>> views
>>>>>> >> >>> correctly if the screen has been rotated.
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>> The options to double-check are in a dialog that you reach
>>>>>> >> >>> through
>>>>>> >> >>> the
>>>>>> >> >>> desktop. These instructions are for systems with the Intel
>>>>>> >> >>> graphics
>>>>>> >> >>> chips
>>>>>> >> >>> usually found in Del machines.
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>> Press Windows+M to minimize all apps and go to the desktop.
>>>>>> >> >>> Then
>>>>>> >> >>> press
>>>>>> >> >>> Ctrl+Space until JAWS says that the item your on is not
>>>>>> >> >>> selected.
>>>>>> >> >>> Now
>>>>>> >> >>> press
>>>>>> >> >>> the applications key to bring up the desktops context menu.
>>>>>> >> >>> You
>>>>>> >> >>> should
>>>>>> >> >>> find
>>>>>> >> >>> an option called graphics. This will open the graphics card
>>>>>> >> >>> applet
>>>>>> > which
>>>>>> >> >>> contains some options for disabling the rotation shortcut
>>>>>> >> >>> keys.
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>> You may need to use the JAWS cursor to get to the relevant
>>>>>> >> >>> check
>>>>>> >> >>> boxes
>>>>>> >> >>> within the adapters properties dialog.
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>> There is another way to get to these options but it involves
>>>>>> >> >>> right-clicking
>>>>>> >> >>> the desktop itself, not an icon, but the background of the
>>>>>> >> >>> desktop.
>>>>>> >> >>> As
>>>>>> >> >>> Dave
>>>>>> >> >>> says, go to the desktop and make sure that nothing is
>>>>>> >> >>> selected.
>>>>>> >> >>> (After
>>>>>> >> >>> pressing Windows+M, press Ctrl+Space until you hear "not
>>>>>> >> >>> selected".)
>>>>>> >> >>> Next,
>>>>>> >> >>> press Applications and choose graphic options.
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>> BTW, this problem seems to be most prevalent on Del machines
>>>>>> >> >>> which
>>>>>> > have
>>>>>> >> >>> the
>>>>>> >> >>> on-board Intel graphics chip, even more so on laptops.
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>> Dave Carlson
>>>>>> >> >>> Oregonian, woodworker, and pioneer
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >> >>> From: "saeed Mirzazadeh" <saeedm19@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> >> >>> To: "sib-access" <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> >> >>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 04:21 AM
>>>>>> >> >>> Subject: [sib-access] Strange keystroke problem
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>> Hi all.
>>>>>> >> >>> A friend of mine has recently got a new laptop and installed
>>>>>> >> >>> sib-access on it. The plug-in is running normally, as it's
>>>>>> >> >>> announced
>>>>>> >> >>> by testing, but just one keystroke does not work, which is
>>>>>> >> >>> alt+control+up/down arrow to navigate between staves.
>>>>>> >> >>> What do you advice to resolve this strange problem?
>>>>>> >> >>> Thanks so much in advance!
>>>>>> >> >>> Best regards,
>>>>>> >> >>> Saeed
>>>>>> >> >>>
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