Mike, perhaps you can tell the rest of us about your experiences in German Shepherds that have lead you to this line of thinking. I am most interested in your breeding experiences that support your position. I get the feeling you may have been one of those "suckers" at some point. I'm sure we can all learn something from you. M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Crowson" <ruready8336@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>; <Rikers123@xxxxxxx>; <gsdsforlife@xxxxxxxx>; <Pamswan02@xxxxxxx>; <Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: To Better The Breed heaven forbid that some "sucker" come along a pays big bucks for a piece of crap who looks great, but does not have the hips or elbows, or both, to pick him/her self off the ground to greet their owner with that good morning lick across the face!!!!! OFA, and all other procedures that offer a degree of health standard for the gsd s/b mandatory!!!! It does not have to be a mandatory thing for showing before two years of age, but prelims can be!!! IF they prelim, great, if not TOUGH!!!!! After two years they need to OFA to continue showing, if they do then great, if they don't,,, TOUGH!!!! Get one that does!!!!Breeders s/h all of their studs and bitches OFA before breeding..if you have one that does not. TOUGH!~!!!!!!! Get one that does....HD dogs make great pets!!! ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Susan Madlung" <stormygsd@xxxxxxx> >> To: <Rikers123@xxxxxxx>; <gsdsforlife@xxxxxxxx>; <Pamswan02@xxxxxxx>; >> <Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 8:18 AM >> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: To Better The Breed >> >> >>> Colleen, Pam and the like judge the rest of us by the actions of a few.. >>> >>> the bottom line IS the breeder who makes the choices about which of >>> their >>> bitches will be bred to which dogs.. IF the breeders themselves required >>> certification proof etc before they coughed over the bucks for a stud >>> fee, ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================