In a message dated 12/5/2005 12:46:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, Pamswan02@xxxxxxx writes: Of course I believe that both Dog and Bitch should be OFA . I know of breeders that won't OFA because they are afraid to X-ray but will take them in the ring and try for a championship. Sorry but I think that is wrong. Pam Swanson Chantilly Shepherds Home of Ch. Chantilly s Holiday Compadre( Holly) Winner's Bitch at 2004 National Afraid of what ? I don't know of anyone afraid to x-ray. The majority of people I know do x-ray before putting big bucks into showing the dogs. That's only common sense. Should I not show my dogs because they are not yet of age to be OFA'd ? Sorry, but I think that is wrong. Not only is it wrong, it would severly limit the amount of dogs showing. My 16 month old has a 4 pt major. He's x rayed but not OFA'd. Should I not show him again until he is ? That's nuts. But then, that's just my opinion. BTW, every one of my dogs AND bitches are OFA'd as are the boy's sire and dam. Oh yeah, his sire is 2x Sel and the dam is also a Champion. OFA is a TOOL and subjective to 3 opinions. A TOOL you are supposed to use in your judgement of what your dog or bitch needs for breeding considerations. It does not guarantee against dysplasia. If it did, no dog under SV regulations would produce dysplasia. It is a tool for only 1 portion of what should be considered as a whole. I believe someone mentioned the mass euthanization of animals in the 70's because they were THOUGHT to be or COULD grow up to be dysplastic. How many dogs were put to sleep and taken out of the gene pool who could have contributed to the breed and may never have been dysplastic in that space of time? We are all free to do what we feel is best in our breeding programs. If I am not happy with the way someone breeds, I don't bring their lines into mine or let mine go into theirs. It's that simple. I am my own governning body where my dogs are concerned. I choose to OFA, micr chip, raise naturally and blah blah blah ( it's raining and I'm in a blah mood ). Not being mean or judgemental here. Just stating my opinion. Denise Groenewald _www.greenwoodshepherds.com_ (http://www.greenwoodshepherds.com/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================