In a message dated 12/6/2005 4:21:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, gsdsforlife@xxxxxxxx writes: Hi Pam, You are a breath of fresh air. At times it gets smack of old breath and stale air here. I agree with you 100%. Dogs and bitches that show ( that are looked at to be potential studs and brood bitches ) should most definitely be OFA'd.....not just prelimbed. I have to wonder why the humming and hawing and "no it shouldn't be mandatory" ....why not?? Of course the big 'ole argument comes up about "well the tests just aren't 100%". Bugger that. They are the best we have so bloody well do it. It DOES weed out. In my world...elbows would be done as well. ( more excuses ) John Dehope said that "the quality of your litter should not only be evaluated by the best in the litter..but by the least." Ahhhh, words to strive towards! Gawd, that is just perfect isn't it?!! Pam said "I know of breeders that won't OFA because they are afraid to X-ray but will take them in the ring and try for a championship. Sorry but I think that is wrong." Denise ( rikers123 ) said " What do you care whats shown? If you like me only use Bitches with OFA hips and elbows and breed to only males with OFA hips and elbows. Whats your problem? Do you mean that you can be tricked into breeding to a show winner thats got bad hips and elbows ? Until you get the akc to not reg. a dog that has bad hips and elbows[ And I hope that never happends] all you can do is manage your own kennel. It might shock you the overwhelming majority of the show kennels that do. The backyard breeders that breed for puppies and use their friend's dog down the road DON'T GO TO SHOWS and don't for the most part give a dam about numbers. So what you are asking for would solve nothing. Fred Migliore ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================