I am newly provisional and it's 12 years, 4 champions 6 litters, 6 stewarding, 6 matches. they want to see seminars, club involvement, etc. You also have to do a pre application interview and an interview after you pass open book tests on procedures and the standard......................even though i met all the requirements and did alot way more than just pay bills :))) I did not find it to be a walk in the park to get my provisional. After i finish provisionals i can get other breeds without having champions but you have to meet certain requirements and do seminars, mentoring and there is a limit to how many breeds you can apply for at a time. I did hear that years ago judges weren't even required to have bred champions or all the requirements they have today,,,,,anyone know if thats true ?? I think the problem isn't with how you get a judges license i think it's with continuing education especially for people who judge this breed as an additional breed and not their initial breed. As for those who got a license by just paying bills like Sally mentioned previously, i would bet those judges won't get many assignments anyways,,,,,,,there's always going to be ways people get around things since you can't legislate honesty,,,,but we can make a statement by not giving undeserving judges entries. Amy Safdir Almanya Shepherds www.almanyagsd.com ==================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================