[sac-board] Re: Board meeting, 08-16

From: "Rick Tejera" <SaguaroAstro@xxxxxxx>
To: <sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:48:00 -0700
Dick,
 

Here is the pertinent Section of the BLM "Recreation permit Administration 
Handbook", Available for download in 93 pages of pdf here: 

 

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/Information_Resources_Management/policy/blm_handbook.Par.22509.File.dat/h2930-1.pdf

 

E. Organized Group Activity and Event Use 

 

Organized group or event permits are intended for group outdoor recreation 
activities or events which are neither commercial nor competitive. The 
authorized officer determines when a permit is required based on planning 
decisions, resource concerns, potential user conflicts, or public health and 
safety issues. A group is loosely defined as more than one person participating 
in a recreation activity or event. The threshold size of a group requiring a 
permit would be impossible to establish on a national basis. The threshold, if 
any, must be determined for each area (for example, 10 people in a sensitive 
riparian area may constitute an organized group, but a less sensitive upland 
area may be able to handle 200 people without the need for special management). 
Thresholds must be based upon planning, resource concerns, potential user 
conflicts, and public health and safety. Field Offices are encouraged to 
develop thresholds through land use planning for when permits are required for 
organized groups and events for specific types of recreation activities, land 
areas, or resource settings. 

 

Other examples of groups or events that may require a permit include a large 
scout campout, a fraternity activity, a large family reunion held at a BLM 
recreation site or participating in recreation activities on public lands, 
reenactments, or a dual sport event. Before issuing an SRP for an activity or 
group event, consider if it is primarily recreational in nature. If not, it may 
be more appropriate to authorize the activity or event as a land use permit 
(see 43 CFR 2920). 

So it would seem the number that determines a âGroupâ varies depending on 
several factors, one no t mentioned, that Iâm sure plays an active role is 
the mood & knowledge of the manager approving the permit. 

 

Rick Tejera (K7TEJ)

Saguaro Astronomy Club

www.saguaroastro.org

Thunderbird Amateur Radio Club

www.w7tbc.org

 

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Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 1:56 PM
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Subject: [sac-board] Re: Board meeting, 08-16

 

This happened under "my administration", and it came about because David 
Douglass asked the BLM people about permits for using the Salome Airfield for 
the All-Arizona parties. None of us expected an issue, but BLM said we had to 
have a permit to do such a thing (large group) on BLM land. So to be in 
compliance, we voted to co-op the cost with EVAC since both clubs use the sites 
(Antennas, Airfield). I don't know whether the east valley sites are on BLM 
land or not, nor do I know if one permit covers all BLM land (it probably does 
not because our Antennas/Airfield permit states a particular parcel or zone of 
BLM land). If you want to check about Picket Post, Vekol, etc. I suggest you do 
it stealthily, or EVAC (and possibly SAC) could be hit with multiple permits at 
$150 a pop.

 

The BLM office did tell us that individuals or small groups (and they never 
defined "small") did not need a permit to use BLM land.  Go figure.

 

 

Richard Harshaw

The Arizona Star Splitter
[sac-board] Re: Board meeting, 08-16

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