[rollei_list] Re: OT: Kwannon Prototype
- From: "Peter K." <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:07:19 -0700
What proof do you have Peter is incorrect Marc? I mean aside diminishing
someone else comments or alleged facts.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Marc James Small <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> At 03:41 PM 7/21/2010, David Sadowski wrote:
>
> >"Yoshida's task was made more difficult by the fact that, before 1945,
> >Leitz held all of the major patents for 35 mm. camera production. The
> >Leica's patented coupled rangefinder and viewfinder under one roof
> >presented a particular problem. As Zeiss discovered with the Contax,
> >anyone wishing to market a new 35 mm. camera, had to come up with a
> >completely new design that was different from the Leica. (After the
> >war, with Germany defeated, this was no longer a problem)."
>
> This is simple twaddle, and Peter knows better -- we have discussed this
> repetitively on the IDCC, and he has never attempted to suggest that this
> bogus bunk is true.
>
> First, Leitz held no relevant patents involving the Leica camera -- if
> anything, they impinged on patents belonging to others when they brought out
> the original A. It is one of the huge myths of all time that Zeiss Ikon
> (NOT Zeiss -- the Japanese always confuse these two separate companies) had
> to "work around" Leitz patents and that is just false. See Kuc, inter multa
> alia, for a discussion of this.
>
> Second, yes, German patents failed to be a problem after V-J Day: the
> Allied Control Commission for the Pacific refused to allow the German
> companies to protect their intellectual property rights, so Canon and Nikon
> and others just looted the patent files of Zeiss, Zeiss Ikon, Leitz, and
> anyone else they thought to vandalize. It was theft: pure, simple, raw
> theft. Canon and Nikon are both firms founded on fraud, deceit, dishonesty,
> and larceny, and the record is clear on that. The Canon RF cameras are
> simply copies (one cannot say, "Chinese copies" -- "Jap copies" works
> better) of the LTM design, and the Nikon RF are a combination of the Zeiss
> Ikon RF and lens mount from the Contax RF and the Leitz shutter design.
> Theft, folks, theft. Nary one cent in royalties was ever paid, though
> Zeiss stuck it to both companies on a number of occasions since then.
>
> Once the Peace Treaty was signed in 1954, that restriction on protecting
> patent rights no longer applied, as Yashica found out with their "Grey Baby
> 44": F&H sued Yashica and won across the board, obtaining damages and
> forcing the Yashica camera off the international market.
>
> Thanks for the clarification. I really find pre-1946 Canon gear a huge yawn
> in the great scheme of things.
>
> Marc
>
>
> msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
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