[pure-silver] Re: having digital negatives made
- From: Eric Nelson <emanmb@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:52:11 -0800 (PST)
I was jumping into the conversation about recording images to smaller format
films such as 120, and my point was the grain of the film being recorded to in
that case will most certainly be apparent.
As with most things digital, it comes down to what one's final output will be
esp. size, so a 120 to 120 recorded image printed on 8x10 silver paper might
make a decent print....or not. Increased grain would certainly be a worry
going into it. I only record to 4x5 so I don't have that issue.
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From: Eric Neilsen <ej@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:13:22 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: having digital negatives made
Can you elaborate on what you
mean Eric? The grain of the film used in the LVT? If so, I’d think getting your
image on it as big as you could would be better for all the same reasons that
using 35mm is often looked down on; the bigger the print the more obvious the
grain.
Eric Neilsen
4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
Dallas, TX 75226
214-827-8301
www.ericneilsenphotography.com
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Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:18 PM
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: having digital negatives made
Film
grain in the copy is what comes into play.
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From:Eric Neilsen
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Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:21:13 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: having digital negatives made
Mark,
At the size we are talking and the fact that scanning is being done, I don’t
think that holds much water. And that is my intuition talking and not based on
tests. So much of the quality will depend on the scanner used and settings that
going from 2 ¼ to 4x5, that I have a hard time seeing how the 4x5 will lose
quality. I’d be much more concerned about appropriate use of sharpening steps
and grain emulation than a small amount of image size gain if I were Shannon.
Eric
Neilsen
4101
Commerce Street, Suite 9
Dallas,
TX 75226
214-827-8301
www.ericneilsenphotography.com
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ejprinter
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Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:02 PM
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: having digital negatives made
Eric
its for one reason only. The original negative was a Medium Format
negative. By making the negative bigger you don't have more information
to work with unless you add it. Adding information may or may not be a
good thing depending on the particular image. Sort of like working with
upsizing. Sometimes Geniune Fractals can do wonders, but it isn't the end
all be all. Sometimes you are better off sticking with what you have.
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: having digital negatives made
From: "Eric Neilsen Photography"
<ej@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, January 24, 2009 9:41 am
To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Mark, Why do you think a medium format neg may be better? And Shannon, the
advantage that jumps out at me with a neg for the enlarger is the ability to
make prints of various sizes from the same output? If that is requirement at
all and you can also have a positive made and make your own contact neg
later.
Eric Neilsen Photography
4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
Dallas, TX 75226
214-827-8301
www.ericneilsenphotography.com
SKYPE ejprinter
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On Behalf Of Mark Blackwell
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 10:12 AM
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: having digital negatives made
First I think we need to get Shannon to clarify if a contact print is the
goal, or a negative is needed to use in an enlarger. With a contact print
there may be some other options, but frankly a digital negative with a a
film recorder would be best. Unless advised otherwise by the lab, or the
enlarger wouldn't accept a 4x5 or don't have something needed to print 4x5,
I'd personally use this as a test.
Id get a digital negative of the same file both as a Medium Format negative
and a 4x5 negative and see first hand which project and printed better in my
workflow and methods.
--- On Sat, 1/24/09, Eric Neilsen Photography
<ej@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Eric Neilsen Photography <ej@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: having digital negatives made
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 10:04 AM
> Better is such a loose term. The newer printers give you
> better results with
> the ABW setting than the 2200. However, if silver prints
> are your goal you
> may be better off going with a film negative made with an
> LVT. Not all
> providers of LVT will or can go up to anything bigger than
> 8x10. Some of it
> depends on the paper that you chose and whether a contact
> neg is a good
> choice. You also need to learn how much sharpening to add
> to your film to
> make it look right, etc. It is not just a slam dunk thing
> where you provide
> a file and it is perfect first time around. You may want to
> create a file
> with 4 4x5 on a single 8x10 layout and see what adjustments
> work best. ONLY
> deal with a lab that can tell you what your RGB # will
> translate to in real
> density to your negative. And just like with shooting and
> exposing you can
> get absolutely perfect target numbers but they will be
> really close.
>
>
>
> Eric Neilsen Photography
> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
> Dallas, TX 75226
> 214-827-8301
> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
>
> SKYPE ejprinter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Shannon Stoney
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:42 AM
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: having digital negatives made
>
> My enlarger can go up to 4x5. (the 8x10 enlarger is broken
> right now.)
>
> My ink jet printer is an Epson 2200, but I have access to a
> 2400. In
> the past my efforts to make digital negatives didn't
> work out very
> well, but maybe I can try again.
>
> My process is silver. :-) (Although in the past I did do
> those other
> processes you mention.) My paper scale is 1.2.
>
> So, you are saying that it is better to make a negative for
> enlarging
> than one for contact printing if possible?
>
> --shannon
>
>
> ere.
>
>
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