Speedy, A couple of points about this. You can feather the edge of the shadow by moving the dodger higher up the light path Speedy. The closer it is to the paper, the sharper the edge. The further away, the softer the edge. It can also be any mix of the two. The other point is that dodgers do not always have to be opaque. They canlocally diffuse or shift contrast as well. Eugene Smith described how he used mesh dodgers to not only lighten but smooth out the grain in a face (for example). A range of dodger/diffuser/ contrast-adjuster combinations are possible with a little thought. Tim http://www.worldoflithprinting.com From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Speedy Sent: 15 November 2007 18:03 To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: dodging tools Dave, I guess it depends on the brand of paper thickness of board etc... Speedy _____ From: DValvo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: dodging tools Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:00:13 -0500 The boards that come with photo paper not not opaque enough to use as dodging tools.. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Speedy <mailto:speedgraphic@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:44 PM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: dodging tools I haven't seen this mentioned yet. It's real simple and probably most have already thought of it. It doesn't work in every instance, but it does help in most... I create my own dodging tools as needed. Usually out of the cardboard pieces that come with Photographic paper to help keep it flat. I cut whatever size and shape might be needed and tape it to a piece of wire, The part I had not seen mentioned is that to aid in the "feathering" of the dodge I will cut the outside edge of whatever shape I am using in a zig zag pattern... This helps to keep to lessen the hard edge between what was dodged and what was not. I always keep the dodging tool moving, but the feathering helps... Speedy ---------------------------------------------------------- > From: tomschofield@xxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: dodging tools > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:01:09 -0800 > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Then, there's also construction paper, scissors, tape and a coat > hanger wire. You can figure out the rest. An infinite variety of > shapes is possible. > > Tom > > On Nov 12, 2007, at 6:26 AM, Les Myers wrote: > > > I use my hands and fingers as dodging tools. This is probably > > heretical and un-professional, but I never misplace them and the > > wire never gets rusty. > > > > Les Myers > > ====================================================================== > > ======================================To unsubscribe from this > > list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e- > > mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and > > unsubscribe from there. > > ============================================================================ ================================= > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. _____ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook ? together at last. Get it now! <http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL1006269 71033> _____ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today! <http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctW Ltagline>