I think the image originally at stake was shot on Kodak HIE, wasn't it? That stuff is the biggest crap shoot you could come up with. Forget paying attention to how it's developed. That neg is going to hinge on what reflects IR, what time of day it was, the time of year, the angle, yadda yadda yadda. I agree, though. I would reshoot it myself instead of screwing around at an enlarger. It might also be worthwhile to approach the subject at different times of day. Or at least shoot it from different angles while there. In theory IR works best at the height of day, but I've shot it at 5 PM at the ocean. Almost toa mere one or two images, circling and moving in and out, and maybe one single bloody image will come out to your liking. Part of the trouble here might be the inclination to take a "normal" shooting mentality to the field with this film. With IR, you see something, you can't just shoot it. You need to work it. Of course, that goes with ALL shooting in the field. Trebly so with IR. Only luck will get you a good IR shot if one is all you took of the thing. It wouldn't hurt to use more than one filter, either. I think a #87 was used? That's a fantastic IR filter; but so is a #29 red. I might try using each if the image seems that good. You should get very different results. Then again, with IR, maybe you won't, too! Mike On 21 Sep 2005 at 17:56, Lee Carmichael wrote: Date sent: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:56:50 -0500 To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Lee Carmichael <click76112@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: How do I increase local contrast in my shadows when printing? Send reply to: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Wouldn't the best way to deal with this problem be to shoot the scene > again and think about how the film is developed and pay particular > attention to the tonalities in the scene and how best render to them . > We all seem to be just touching the edges of the issue. If I am not > mistaken this neg is a 35mm and that would pose huge problems for me > to create a mask and then register it. This is not to say that the > techniques are not valid just maybe not a efficient as needed in this > instance. > > lee\c > > ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.