These are part of the challenges one faces when making prints. I find that I am put up to those challenges when making prints for other people, but it even happens from my own negatives ( imagine that ; ( ) Careful selection of appropriate contrast is the answer but how to do it is the question; Masking, filtration, local negative/ print toning or failing that, new internegative or even a reshoot. If you haven't done much masking with films or other light blocking materials, you may find it frustrating. And while this is Pure Silver, I find nothing wrong with making a digital mask but this also requires a skill set. What skills do you bring to the table? Do you feel like you are good at dodging and burning? Better at film masks? Both Ralph and Bruce have given you good starting points. I sometimes find that a graded paper and several developers give me the separation that I need. Why not selenium toning both negative and print? In some cases, extreme reduction of agitation can also help with edge sharpness but perhaps, a quick look at your print would help with other suggestions. What papers do you have? EJ Neilsen Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 http://e.neilsen.home.att.net http://ericneilsenphotography.com _____ From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DarkroomMagic Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:25 AM To: PureSilverNew Subject: [pure-silver] Re: How do I increase local contrast in my shadows when printing? Peter Try a tri-color blue filter (not your 'grade' 5 filter) that will give you maximum paper contrast. If that does not work you can try a different paper developer or a different dilution or a masking technique. Why are you against selenium toning? It won't give you much beyond half a grade but why not try it? Also, are you using fresh paper? Paper gets 'softer' with age. Regards Ralph W. Lambrecht http://www.darkroomagic.com On 2005-09-18 16:05, "Peter Badcock" <peter.badcock@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hi there, I was printing up a photo tonight, from a roll of 35mm HIE and I have a dark windmill set against a blue sky. Because I had an R72 (89b) IR Filter on, the blue sky is very dark - which is quite typical of IR shots. The film has already been developed and I am now printing using Ilford MG IV RC pearl paper. Even if I use a grade 5 filter, I can't seen to get sufficient contrast between the dark sky and the windmill blades. I can scan the print in tomorrow if it helps woth suggestions, but without changing paper brands or doing (selenium) toning, is there anything else I could try to get an increase in local contrast to make the windmill blades stand out more against the sky? regards Peter