RE: NVDA and Eloquence
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:27:41 -0400
Well I guess that depends on what you think is practical. I mean I didn't
seen their offer so bad.
Ken
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:04 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Michael Taboada (AI5HF)
Subject: Re: NVDA and Eloquence
Yep, there was, indeed, a legal threat from Nuance distributors (I
incorrectly recalled the issue as related to Via Voice). Of course, a
legal threat does not necessarily mean a valid or enforceable one, but
it is notheworthy and deserving of caution. I find it unfortunate that
Nuance has apparently not been willing to work out a practical pricing
arrangement with the NVDA project.
Jamal
On 8/24/2011 10:31 AM, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
> I may stand corrected then. I recalled that as a different issue, but
> will review that material again. Thanks for the info.
>
> Jamal
>
>
> On 8/24/2011 10:24 AM, Michael Taboada (AI5HF) wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I knowin the blog post I tlinked to earlier, that they included a letter
>> from the Italian distributer for Nuance products (including eloquence),
>> and it said if this doesn't stop we'll be force to use legal means if
>> necessary.
>> Hth,
>>
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>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:51 AM
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: NVDA and Eloquence
>>
>>> True, but that would not stop them making legal threats. I am asking
>>> because FS generally does not have a problem initiating law suits, so
>>> if the company has not said anything on this matter, perhaps people
>>> are worrying about something that is not actually a problem.
>>>
>>> Jamal
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/24/2011 9:39 AM, Ken Perry wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well I doubt it they would first have to catcht them and since most
>>>> people
>>>> don't give access to either of them to your computer it would be hard
>>>> for
>>>> them to catch you.
>>>>
>>>> ken
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal
>>>> Mazrui
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:02 AM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Cc: Alex Hall
>>>> Subject: Re: NVDA and Eloquence
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know whether either Freedom Scientific or Nuance have
>>>> threatened legal action if a blind individual uses NVDA with Eloquence?
>>>>
>>>> Jamal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/24/2011 8:16 AM, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
>>>>> Thanks, Alex. Since posting my previous message on this topic, someone
>>>>> sent me the following link to a blog post on the NVDA site:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nvda-project.org/blog/NVDAAndEloquenceSituation
>>>>>
>>>>> I am still interested in further discussion if anyone has additional
>>>>> information or perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/24/2011 7:57 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>>>>> My understanding is that it is not illegal. The illegal part is the
>>>>>> step many take to accomplish it, loading an illegal dll to provide
>>>>>> Eloquence speech. This dll is from the makers of Eloquence, but is
>>>>>> passed around the internet for free, even though the makers should be
>>>>>> getting their royalty for every time it is used.
>>>>>> In fact, there is a survey by NVDA makers to determine interest in
>>>>>> providing Eloquence for NVDA (at a cost). Of course, that would be
>>>>>> perfectly legal, since NV Access would pay for the distribution
>>>>>> rights, then recoop the cost from users' paying the one-time fee for
>>>>>> Eloquence under their copy of NVDA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/24/11, Jamal Mazrui<empower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> I am trying to understand the legal issues around use of NVDA with
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Eloquence speech installed with JAWS. I have heard that it is
>>>>>>> technically easy to make this work, thereby substantially
>>>>>>> improving the
>>>>>>> NVDA experience. On the blind-mozilla list, however, it was stated
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> this is absolutely illegal to do, and even discussion of the topic
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> prohibited on the list. I did not realize this was such a
>>>>>>> controversial
>>>>>>> topic, but trust that we can at least discuss it here, being
>>>>>>> careful as
>>>>>>> appropriate not to encourage particular actions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I think we know, just because a company says that some activity
>>>>>>> is an
>>>>>>> impermissible use of software does not make it so. For example, I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> heard of the "Jailbreak" issue with the iPhone, and that this has
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> deemed legal by an authoritative body, despite initial protests by a
>>>>>>> company. Am I understanding that right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, I am interested in any official statement that asserts the
>>>>>>> illegality of using Eloquence with NVDA. Can someone point me to a
>>>>>>> web
>>>>>>> page?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please understand that I am not encouraging such activity,
>>>>>>> especially
>>>>>>> since my knowledge of the topic is limited at present. I do think,
>>>>>>> however, that if people are being told that something is absolutely
>>>>>>> illegal that they deserve some kind of authoritative reference for
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> assertion, given the corresponding implication that one would be a
>>>>>>> criminal to do so.
>>>>>>>
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