I'm kind of curious if you can use espeak with jaws? That would let me get used to it with a reader I like.
On 8/24/2011 10:58 AM, Storm Dragon wrote:
Hi,the specific reasons the Elloquence topic was banned from the NVDA discussion list isw people were offering pirated copies, telling how they themselves are using it illegally, and I was getting a ton of complaints from people who were tired of hearing about it. So, 2 thirds of the reasoning behind banning the topic was actualy to protect members of the list. I personaly don't care who uses it or how they got it, but I don't want my list to be helpful in bringing action against people who are smart enough to obtain it while not being smart enough to keep that fact to themselves lol. Plus, the list could be shutdown for allowing discussion of pirated software if nothing was done about it. Besides, there is a synth that is a whole lot better included with NVDA by default. I used to use elloquence myself back when I used Windows and a nonfree Windows Screen reader. Fortunately, wen I decided to switch to Linux back in 2007, I did not find out that elloquence was available for Linux in the form of Viavoice provided by voxin for nearly 6 months. when I first installed it there was Espeak and festival. the Espeak synth sounded better and could go faster with less lag, so I became determined to use it. I had to slow down from where I was with Eloquence, but week after week I got faster and faster until I regained the speed, then with a hack using the fast_test variant, I even surpassed my Elloquence speeds. Today, thanks to the sonic code written by Bill cox, it can go faster still and sound very clear. After using Espeak for around 6 months, I found out about Voxin. I actually did buy it. Even though it was only $5, I regret that purchase, because I installed it, switched to it, and with in 5 minutes switched back. It sounds too muffled, and funnily enough, I then as now found espeak easier to understand. So, I guess the ban on the elloquence has the added binnifit of hopefully getting more people to try and eventrually switch to espeak. This itself has several advantages, 2 of which are, you can use it with pretty much anything with out violating the license, and the developer is far more responsive than Elloquence people. If a word caused Espeak to crash I would be willing to bet a decent sum of money that the bug would be fixed in a week's time after the developer found out about it. I have know of words that crash elloquence for years now, and more are discovered everyday. In fact, someone told me there is actually an elloquence crash word generator. You know, I wonder if that crash sequence could somehow be exploited to run malicious code? It is, of course, something to worry about. Well, this post is getting rather long, so I guess I'll end here.Thanks Storm -- Vinux Publicity Coordinator: http://www.vinuxproject.org/ Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ How many Internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://goo.gl/eO4PJ My Blackberry is Broken: http://is.gd/my_blackberry_is_broken "with a trunk big enough to fit three bodies in" Calabrese On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 08:18 -0400, Ken Perry wrote:I would suppose the problem is Freedom has paid the licenses to use eloquence and if you change the way they install eloquence by changing registries you are breaking the license. Thus while technically its illegal I doubt anyone is going to come in in a black trench coat and take your computer. I would however point out that you can now buy a copy of nvda for like 10 bucks and get a much better experience with what used to be ibm via voice. ken -----Original Message----- From:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:37 AM To: programmingblind Subject: NVDA and Eloquence I am trying to understand the legal issues around use of NVDA with the Eloquence speech installed with JAWS. I have heard that it is technically easy to make this work, thereby substantially improving the NVDA experience. On the blind-mozilla list, however, it was stated that this is absolutely illegal to do, and even discussion of the topic was prohibited on the list. I did not realize this was such a controversial topic, but trust that we can at least discuss it here, being careful as appropriate not to encourage particular actions. As I think we know, just because a company says that some activity is an impermissible use of software does not make it so. For example, I have heard of the "Jailbreak" issue with the iPhone, and that this has been deemed legal by an authoritative body, despite initial protests by a company. Am I understanding that right? So, I am interested in any official statement that asserts the illegality of using Eloquence with NVDA. Can someone point me to a web page? Please understand that I am not encouraging such activity, especially since my knowledge of the topic is limited at present. I do think, however, that if people are being told that something is absolutely illegal that they deserve some kind of authoritative reference for that assertion, given the corresponding implication that one would be a criminal to do so. 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