RE: NVDA and Eloquence
- From: Storm Dragon <stormdragon2976@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:32:22 -0400
Hi,
Well, in all fareness, I never really did decide to push myself with
Elloquence. I made it up to 70, if I remember correctly, in elloquence
and just stayed at that setting. I really decided to increase my
listening rate once I started using Espeak. After the initial shock of
changing synths, I really did come to believe that Espeak is easier to
understand. the outcome of your research will be very interesting.
One complaint I have heard about Espeak is it has too much treble. I
personally like the treble and when I switched briefly to voxin it
sounded muffled to me, and it is probably because I got used to the
treble offered by espeak. I wonder if a variant were made for espeak
that cut down on the treble if Elloquence users would find it more
appealing?
Thanks
Storm
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On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 13:18 -0400, Sina Bahram wrote:
> Storm,
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> It’s interesting that you say that espeak is better at high speeds
> than eloquence. I personally don’t believe this to be the case, but
> also realized there’s no data on this in the literature.
>
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> I plan on conducting a study along these lines this semester to really
> find out what the answers are, or at least, have some solid data on
> them.
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> Take care,
>
> Sina
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>
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Storm
> Dragon
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:59 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: NVDA and Eloquence
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> Hi,
> the specific reasons the Elloquence topic was banned from the NVDA
> discussion list isw people were offering pirated copies, telling how
> they themselves are using it illegally, and I was getting a ton of
> complaints from people who were tired of hearing about it. So, 2
> thirds of the reasoning behind banning the topic was actualy to
> protect members of the list. I personaly don't care who uses it or how
> they got it, but I don't want my list to be helpful in bringing action
> against people who are smart enough to obtain it while not being smart
> enough to keep that fact to themselves lol. Plus, the list could be
> shutdown for allowing discussion of pirated software if nothing was
> done about it. Besides, there is a synth that is a whole lot better
> included with NVDA by default. I used to use elloquence myself back
> when I used Windows and a nonfree Windows Screen reader. Fortunately,
> wen I decided to switch to Linux back in 2007, I did not find out that
> elloquence was available for Linux in the form of Viavoice provided by
> voxin for nearly 6 months. when I first installed it there was Espeak
> and festival. the Espeak synth sounded better and could go faster with
> less lag, so I became determined to use it. I had to slow down from
> where I was with Eloquence, but week after week I got faster and
> faster until I regained the speed, then with a hack using the
> fast_test variant, I even surpassed my Elloquence speeds. Today,
> thanks to the sonic code written by Bill cox, it can go faster still
> and sound very clear. After using Espeak for around 6 months, I found
> out about Voxin. I actually did buy it. Even though it was only $5, I
> regret that purchase, because I installed it, switched to it, and with
> in 5 minutes switched back. It sounds too muffled, and funnily enough,
> I then as now found espeak easier to understand. So, I guess the ban
> on the elloquence has the added binnifit of hopefully getting more
> people to try and eventrually switch to espeak. This itself has
> several advantages, 2 of which are, you can use it with pretty much
> anything with out violating the license, and the developer is far more
> responsive than Elloquence people. If a word caused Espeak to crash I
> would be willing to bet a decent sum of money that the bug would be
> fixed in a week's time after the developer found out about it. I have
> know of words that crash elloquence for years now, and more are
> discovered everyday. In fact, someone told me there is actually an
> elloquence crash word generator. You know, I wonder if that crash
> sequence could somehow be exploited to run malicious code? It is, of
> course, something to worry about. Well, this post is getting rather
> long, so I guess I'll end here.
> Thanks
> Storm
>
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> On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 08:18 -0400, Ken Perry wrote:
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> I would suppose the problem is Freedom has paid the licenses to use
> eloquence and if you change the way they install eloquence by changing
> registries you are breaking the license. Thus while technically its illegal
> I doubt anyone is going to come in in a black trench coat and take your
> computer. I would however point out that you can now buy a copy of nvda for
> like 10 bucks and get a much better experience with what used to be ibm via
> voice.
>
> ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:37 AM
> To: programmingblind
> Subject: NVDA and Eloquence
>
> I am trying to understand the legal issues around use of NVDA with the
> Eloquence speech installed with JAWS. I have heard that it is
> technically easy to make this work, thereby substantially improving the
> NVDA experience. On the blind-mozilla list, however, it was stated that
> this is absolutely illegal to do, and even discussion of the topic was
> prohibited on the list. I did not realize this was such a controversial
> topic, but trust that we can at least discuss it here, being careful as
> appropriate not to encourage particular actions.
>
> As I think we know, just because a company says that some activity is an
> impermissible use of software does not make it so. For example, I have
> heard of the "Jailbreak" issue with the iPhone, and that this has been
> deemed legal by an authoritative body, despite initial protests by a
> company. Am I understanding that right?
>
> So, I am interested in any official statement that asserts the
> illegality of using Eloquence with NVDA. Can someone point me to a web
> page?
>
> Please understand that I am not encouraging such activity, especially
> since my knowledge of the topic is limited at present. I do think,
> however, that if people are being told that something is absolutely
> illegal that they deserve some kind of authoritative reference for that
> assertion, given the corresponding implication that one would be a
> criminal to do so.
>
> Jamal
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