RE: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced.

I know that MS is most likely aware of several of these issues. Due to a 
project we were working on at the time, I was able to get
us access to some of the core developers and product managers of VS, and Ken 
and I conducted a conference call with them back a
couple of years ago where we highlighted a lot of the fundamental accessibility 
issues.

It's nice to see some of those concerns seriously addressed, both systemically 
and also, in part, specifically, in VS 2010, but
there is a great deal of work to be done client side to take advantage of the 
myriad of accessibility and rich semantic information
that VS offers; however, that no assistive technology actually bothers 
utilizing.

I won't speak for Ken, but I, at least, was definitely impressed with their 
grasp of the relevant accessibility and usability
issues, along with their realistic approach to the situation.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:33 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Andreas Stefik
Subject: Re: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced.

Andreas,
By any chance, is there a report on this topic by your research team that you 
can share?  It could be helpful in highlighting
aspects of VS2010 that need screen reader scripting.  It could also be conveyed 
to Microsoft to help it understand problems that we
are encountering with this latest VS.

Jamal


On 7/28/2010 9:20 PM, Andreas Stefik wrote:
> My research team just finished some usability testing with blind 
> children using visual studio 2010 and JAWS 11. The students were able 
> to use it to complete simple problems, but VS 2010 has a pretty large 
> laundry list of accessibility problems, in my opinion.
>
> Stefik
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Katherine Moss 
> <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>> I don't see how version 2010 is inaccessible though.  I was on my 
>> desktop at home and I was placing buttons on a winform app as well as 
>> setting their properties correctly.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:30 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced.
>>
>> VS 2005 and 2008 are both made accessible with the jaws scripts and 
>> information available at my grab bag site (URL under my name)
>>
>> and/or with information and/or tools available at non visual 
>> development.org www.NonvisualDevelopment.org
>>
>> and has been for years
>>
>> HTH,
>> inthane
>> Moderator, Blind Access Help
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill Gallik"<BillGallik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:22 AM
>> Subject: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced.
>>
>>
>>> The last time I attempted to teach myself C++ in the Visual Studio 
>>> SDE I found it basically inaccessible.  Has there been a significant 
>>> progression
>>
>>> toward accessibility in the Visual Studio environment? It would 
>>> seem, judging from all the respondants to this thread -- that Visual 
>>> Studio has indeed become more screen reader friendly.  And, if so, which 
>>> version(s)?
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