Re: Getting started learning VB6

  • From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:43:33 -0500

Hi Jacques : I think salaries range from around $35,000 to around $85,000 
depending on your formal education and your experience. 
These jobs pretty much all require at least a 2 year college education to break 
into the field and all the higher paying jobs require at least a 4 year 
education and some related experience. 
Rick USA
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jacques Bosch 
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:05 AM
  Subject: Re: Getting started learning VB6


  That is terrible stats. Frustrating.
  By the way, I know it is a bit of an up in the air question, but what are 
general hourly rates that good programmers can earn in the USA. Yes, "good" is 
also up in the air. <g>




  On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:44 PM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 
<jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

    In the United States even many of the blind with quality formal
    educations remain unemployed and unemployable.  The employment
    demographics remain where they were when Reagan left office.  What
    separates those that have employment from those that don't is whether
    would-be employees have connections with the right insiders or not.
    That only happened for me by dumb luck.  At the time I was just trying
    to get my head around CP/M 2.2 and visited a neighborhood computer
    store.  I didn't know that the owner of that store would later connect
    me up with an individual who very much was one of the right inside
    people who ended up taking actions that got me this job.


    -----Original Message-----
    From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

    [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacques
    Bosch
    Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 7:31
    To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Re: Getting started learning VB6


    I must be an exception to the rule. :)
    But I am definitely not advocating that you shouldn't go for a formal
    education if at all possible. I was only sharing my story. But then I
    really did work very hard at it and have read very many books and
    articles over the last 12 years, and had some good input from prior
    colleagues.
    However, I know several good professionals that have similar stories
    here in SA.


    Jacques


    On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:18 PM, RicksPlace <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


           Hi: There is just no substitute for a quality formal education.
    Ask the folks who run the Human Resources Department at any major
    company or government agency. Perhaps overseas this is diferent. I have
    found the education systems quite diferent here and abroad as well as
    the hiring practices. Here in the United States there is no question
    that you need some University level education if you want to get a job
    with a Major Company where you might be able to work for many years and
    make a living wage for your family.There always exceptions but they are
    very, very rare.
           If you do not live in the U.S. or you think you can make a
    living contracting at world-wide competitive wages such as in India,
    Bangladesh, Romainia  or other Third World Developing countries then you
    can go for it. But, if you want a job with GM, Ford, BA, AAA, AA, MERC
    or any other major company or any Us or State or even Local Government
    agency you will need some level of formal education. Again there might
    be an exception to this, especially if you are blind, but it is not
    likely nor will you find any channels for professional advancement in
    your career.
           Rick USA

                   ----- Original Message -----

                   From: Jacques Bosch <mailto:jfbosch@xxxxxxxxx>
                   To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                   Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:48 AM
                   Subject: Re: Getting started learning VB6

                   Well, in most cases, probably. But I still maintain, not
    in all.
                   But, hey, that is just me and MHO :)


                   On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:26 PM, John G
    <jglists0@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


                           i think a clear distinction needs to be drawn
    between
                           programming
                           and
                           engineering, the latter being a skill or a set
    of skills for which a formal training is essential.


                           At 11:12 16/02/2011, you wrote:


                                   Hi: If you are considering becoming a
    Professional, there is no substitute for a formal education at a quality
    University. If you get a degree from a good State  University you will
    have the logic, cognitive and other skills to become a professional
    programmer. That is not something you are likely to do on your own.
    Perhaps someone else has done it but in the field they will require at
    least a degree, 2 or 4 years, and they will prefer experience as well.
    You can get the degree from the school and perhaps some experience there
    as well through the Financial Aid Center or by volunteering to help or
    even tutor other students. Everything you can get to put on a resume is
    what you want and sitting in your paren'ts basement playing with your
    computer is not likely to give you much to put on a resume.
                                   Rick USA

                                   ----- Original Message ----- From:
    "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                                   To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                                   Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:51 PM
                                   Subject: Re: Getting started learning
    VB6




                                           .net comes with compilers, as
    far as I know. the user could learn a worth-while language, while still
    learning to program. You will not find to many job opportunities around
    that use Libertybasic, if any, as well as the fact that you need to pay
    for Libertybasic, and it still has an IDE as well as a really whacked
    syntax you need to learn. I believe (and many schools seem to be
    thinking along the same lines as I am), that the OP would be fine
    learning something like that.
                                           On 2/15/2011 1:20 PM, RicksPlace
    wrote:


                                                   Hi: Mono sounds nice but
    I would not recommend it for a raw beginner. Actually I would not
    recommend VB.net to a raw programming beginner. A true beginner needs a
    really simple platform like that provided by some simple scripting
    language or a easy to learn platform like Power Basic or Liberty Basic.
    The concepts of how to write a program by solving problems one step at a
    time and then coding one statement, one step, at a time will be daunting
    enough. Trying to learn to navigate the VS IDE on top of that is too
    much to expect from a totally raw beginner. What is a variable? What
    types of variables are there? How would you open a door one step at a
    time? How would you balance your checkbook one step at a time and use
    algebra symbols in the example solution along with If and End If
    statements. These are the things that a beginner needs to learn. The
    syntax of a language are secondary to learning how to perform problem
    solving using math symbols and then conditional statements and pseudo
    code and finally using the syntax of an English Like language. Anyway, I
    recommend that if the beginner does not have any programming experience
    he try vbscript, Liberty Basic or perhaps Power Basic or something along
    those lines to learn about using computer code to solve real world
    problems before tackling a productivity tool like VB.net or Visual
    Studio. There are e-lists dedicated to these easier languages and when I
    was learning I found those folks really helpful and willing to do some
    hand-holding while I learned about things.
                                                   Perhaps learning to do
    some simple applications using VbScript would be a good way to learn
    about variables, loops and conditional statements. Then move up to try
    something like VB.net.
                                                   That way he would just
    write some computer statements in a text editor, run them as a simple
    script and learn about the basic programming concepts without worrying
    about the complexity of the Vb.net IDE which can be daunting in and of
    itself.
                                                   Rick USA.
                                                   ----- Original Message
    ----- From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26"
    <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
                                                   To:
    <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                                                   Sent: Tuesday, February
    15, 2011 1:08 PM
                                                   Subject: RE: Getting
    started learning VB6


                                                   Mono differs from dot
    net in that version 2.0 of dot net and mono work
                                                   together across several
    platforms.  Later versions of dot net are in the
                                                   works for support on
    mono though.

                                                   -----Original
    Message-----
                                                   From:
    programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

    [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
                                                   Tyler
                                                   Sent: Tuesday, February
    15, 2011 12:53
                                                   To:
    programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                                   Subject: Re: Getting
    started learning VB6

                                                   Mono is not the same as
    the .net framework. Just get the express edition

                                                   and you're good. Also:
    if you are a student, you get vs 2010 free, and
                                                   Microsoft also gives out
    vs 2010 ultimate to MSDNAA members.
                                                   On 2/15/2011 9:31 AM,
    DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 wrote:


                                                           There may not be
    enough money to use and learn dot net.  Fortunately,
                                                           mono can be
    installed and will run on Windows as well as Linux and the
                                                           price tag is
    $0.00.


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    Message-----
                                                           From:
    programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

    [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
                                                           Jude T. CIV
    NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
                                                           Sent: Tuesday,
    February 15, 2011 11:28
                                                           To:
    programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                                           Subject: RE:
    Getting started learning VB6

                                                           No, not without
    knowing your visual status.  If you have memory of
                                                           having had
    vision or better yet have a little useable vision your best
                                                           bet would be to
    learn the language with windows forms.  If you have no
                                                           memory of
    vision, then your best bet would be to learn the language
                                                           using the
    console interface, and these are two completely different
                                                           paths.


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    Message-----
                                                           From:
    programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

    [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Otis D


                                                   Blue


                                                           Sent: Tuesday,
    February 15, 2011 11:22
                                                           To:
    programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                                           Subject: Getting
    started learning VB6

                                                           Hi,

                                                           Could someone
    suggest where I can go to learn how to use VB as a
                                                           beginner?
                                                           I would like to
    get the understanding of the language and how to


                                                   create


                                                           software with
    it.

                                                           Otis Blue

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