Re: Getting started learning VB6

That is terrible stats. Frustrating.
By the way, I know it is a bit of an up in the air question, but what are
general hourly rates that good programmers can earn in the USA. Yes, "good"
is also up in the air. <g>



On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:44 PM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 <
jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> In the United States even many of the blind with quality formal
> educations remain unemployed and unemployable.  The employment
> demographics remain where they were when Reagan left office.  What
> separates those that have employment from those that don't is whether
> would-be employees have connections with the right insiders or not.
> That only happened for me by dumb luck.  At the time I was just trying
> to get my head around CP/M 2.2 and visited a neighborhood computer
> store.  I didn't know that the owner of that store would later connect
> me up with an individual who very much was one of the right inside
> people who ended up taking actions that got me this job.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacques
> Bosch
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 7:31
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Getting started learning VB6
>
> I must be an exception to the rule. :)
> But I am definitely not advocating that you shouldn't go for a formal
> education if at all possible. I was only sharing my story. But then I
> really did work very hard at it and have read very many books and
> articles over the last 12 years, and had some good input from prior
> colleagues.
> However, I know several good professionals that have similar stories
> here in SA.
>
>
> Jacques
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:18 PM, RicksPlace <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>        Hi: There is just no substitute for a quality formal education.
> Ask the folks who run the Human Resources Department at any major
> company or government agency. Perhaps overseas this is diferent. I have
> found the education systems quite diferent here and abroad as well as
> the hiring practices. Here in the United States there is no question
> that you need some University level education if you want to get a job
> with a Major Company where you might be able to work for many years and
> make a living wage for your family.There always exceptions but they are
> very, very rare.
>        If you do not live in the U.S. or you think you can make a
> living contracting at world-wide competitive wages such as in India,
> Bangladesh, Romainia  or other Third World Developing countries then you
> can go for it. But, if you want a job with GM, Ford, BA, AAA, AA, MERC
> or any other major company or any Us or State or even Local Government
> agency you will need some level of formal education. Again there might
> be an exception to this, especially if you are blind, but it is not
> likely nor will you find any channels for professional advancement in
> your career.
>        Rick USA
>
>                ----- Original Message -----
>                 From: Jacques Bosch <mailto:jfbosch@xxxxxxxxx>
>                To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>                Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:48 AM
>                Subject: Re: Getting started learning VB6
>
>                Well, in most cases, probably. But I still maintain, not
> in all.
>                But, hey, that is just me and MHO :)
>
>
>                On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:26 PM, John G
> <jglists0@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>                        i think a clear distinction needs to be drawn
> between
>                        programming
>                        and
>                        engineering, the latter being a skill or a set
> of skills for which a formal training is essential.
>
>
>                        At 11:12 16/02/2011, you wrote:
>
>
>                                Hi: If you are considering becoming a
> Professional, there is no substitute for a formal education at a quality
> University. If you get a degree from a good State  University you will
> have the logic, cognitive and other skills to become a professional
> programmer. That is not something you are likely to do on your own.
> Perhaps someone else has done it but in the field they will require at
> least a degree, 2 or 4 years, and they will prefer experience as well.
> You can get the degree from the school and perhaps some experience there
> as well through the Financial Aid Center or by volunteering to help or
> even tutor other students. Everything you can get to put on a resume is
> what you want and sitting in your paren'ts basement playing with your
> computer is not likely to give you much to put on a resume.
>                                Rick USA
>
>                                ----- Original Message ----- From:
> "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>                                To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>                                Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:51 PM
>                                Subject: Re: Getting started learning
> VB6
>
>
>
>
>                                        .net comes with compilers, as
> far as I know. the user could learn a worth-while language, while still
> learning to program. You will not find to many job opportunities around
> that use Libertybasic, if any, as well as the fact that you need to pay
> for Libertybasic, and it still has an IDE as well as a really whacked
> syntax you need to learn. I believe (and many schools seem to be
> thinking along the same lines as I am), that the OP would be fine
> learning something like that.
>                                        On 2/15/2011 1:20 PM, RicksPlace
> wrote:
>
>
>                                                Hi: Mono sounds nice but
> I would not recommend it for a raw beginner. Actually I would not
> recommend VB.net to a raw programming beginner. A true beginner needs a
> really simple platform like that provided by some simple scripting
> language or a easy to learn platform like Power Basic or Liberty Basic.
> The concepts of how to write a program by solving problems one step at a
> time and then coding one statement, one step, at a time will be daunting
> enough. Trying to learn to navigate the VS IDE on top of that is too
> much to expect from a totally raw beginner. What is a variable? What
> types of variables are there? How would you open a door one step at a
> time? How would you balance your checkbook one step at a time and use
> algebra symbols in the example solution along with If and End If
> statements. These are the things that a beginner needs to learn. The
> syntax of a language are secondary to learning how to perform problem
> solving using math symbols and then conditional statements and pseudo
> code and finally using the syntax of an English Like language. Anyway, I
> recommend that if the beginner does not have any programming experience
> he try vbscript, Liberty Basic or perhaps Power Basic or something along
> those lines to learn about using computer code to solve real world
> problems before tackling a productivity tool like VB.net or Visual
> Studio. There are e-lists dedicated to these easier languages and when I
> was learning I found those folks really helpful and willing to do some
> hand-holding while I learned about things.
>                                                Perhaps learning to do
> some simple applications using VbScript would be a good way to learn
> about variables, loops and conditional statements. Then move up to try
> something like VB.net.
>                                                That way he would just
> write some computer statements in a text editor, run them as a simple
> script and learn about the basic programming concepts without worrying
> about the complexity of the Vb.net IDE which can be daunting in and of
> itself.
>                                                Rick USA.
>                                                ----- Original Message
> ----- From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26"
> <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
>                                                To:
> <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>                                                Sent: Tuesday, February
> 15, 2011 1:08 PM
>                                                Subject: RE: Getting
> started learning VB6
>
>
>                                                Mono differs from dot
> net in that version 2.0 of dot net and mono work
>                                                together across several
> platforms.  Later versions of dot net are in the
>                                                works for support on
> mono though.
>
>                                                -----Original
> Message-----
>                                                From:
> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
>                                                Tyler
>                                                Sent: Tuesday, February
> 15, 2011 12:53
>                                                To:
> programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>                                                Subject: Re: Getting
> started learning VB6
>
>                                                Mono is not the same as
> the .net framework. Just get the express edition
>
>                                                and you're good. Also:
> if you are a student, you get vs 2010 free, and
>                                                Microsoft also gives out
> vs 2010 ultimate to MSDNAA members.
>                                                On 2/15/2011 9:31 AM,
> DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 wrote:
>
>
>                                                        There may not be
> enough money to use and learn dot net.  Fortunately,
>                                                        mono can be
> installed and will run on Windows as well as Linux and the
>                                                        price tag is
> $0.00.
>
>
>                                                        -----Original
> Message-----
>                                                        From:
> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
>                                                        Jude T. CIV
> NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
>                                                        Sent: Tuesday,
> February 15, 2011 11:28
>                                                        To:
> programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>                                                        Subject: RE:
> Getting started learning VB6
>
>                                                        No, not without
> knowing your visual status.  If you have memory of
>                                                        having had
> vision or better yet have a little useable vision your best
>                                                        bet would be to
> learn the language with windows forms.  If you have no
>                                                        memory of
> vision, then your best bet would be to learn the language
>                                                        using the
> console interface, and these are two completely different
>                                                        paths.
>
>
>                                                        -----Original
> Message-----
>                                                        From:
> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Otis D
>
>
>                                                Blue
>
>
>                                                        Sent: Tuesday,
> February 15, 2011 11:22
>                                                        To:
> programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>                                                        Subject: Getting
> started learning VB6
>
>                                                        Hi,
>
>                                                        Could someone
> suggest where I can go to learn how to use VB as a
>                                                        beginner?
>                                                        I would like to
> get the understanding of the language and how to
>
>
>                                                create
>
>
>                                                        software with
> it.
>
>                                                        Otis Blue
>
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